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Offline Arun2006

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On the futility of mantras, tantras, yantras
« on: August 20, 2009, 01:35:48 AM »
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  • Folks.

    The proof of pudding is in eating it.

    What has all the chanting of mantras, all the pujas, and the mighty vedanta really achieved? The Greeks, Muslims, Portuguese and the British ran through India like knife through butter. Krishna promised that sambhavami yuge yuge etc., but too bad he turned out to be a myth when India needed him the most. A beautiful myth, but a myth nonetheless.

    I have a devout friend who knows the entire Gita and Vishnusahasranaamam by-heart. Very devotional guy. Pretty good at sanskrit too - has actually *read* the entire Bhagavatam (or so he claims). And he is dying of cancer! Can you imagine?

    We should all do ourselves a favor and turn to ourselves for help. Lets take a leaf from the west, and actually use our reason and minds for once. Recognize the Vedas as what they really are - beautiful, quaint priestly incantations of a primitive agricultural civilization. For better or worse, we must face up to the fact that the hallowed texts of Hinduism may well be just junk, just like the texts of Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, etc. Put down the Gita. Throw away the Atma Shatakam and Lalita Sahasranamam. Stop praying to gods that are little more than cartoons.

    And lets pick up the Euclid's elements. Lets study the Western enlightenment. Lets read Locke, Mill, Kant and Hume - people who dared to seek the truth NOT mediated by some esoteric deity, but through reason and common-sense alone. Lets be humble and learn how they communicated what they knew with each other, and how they argued for the liberties and rights of all humans.

    Even if you believe in God, as the old cliche goes, God cannot help those who won't help themselves. And as per the Vedas, we're all Brahman anyway.

    Jai Hind, Jai Jagat.

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    Re: On the futility of mantras, tantras, yantras
    « Reply #2 on: July 10, 2016, 08:41:01 AM »
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  • OM SAI RAM

    SAI JI KA NARAD MUNI JI,

    i really appreciate & read most of your sharings.....  & enjoyed most of the posts except few  :-X
    HOWEVER, I find you have attained the Highest levels of enlightenment (Aatm Gyan)
    and so always read all your posts which are so full of highest knowledge just like a
    veritable Upanishads, that I just bow to you.

    Its not out place to mention that i do respect you and your feelings for Baba
    as i see me in you ........ ek aur Baba ke pagal deewane  :)

    But at the same time, I also agree with Drashtaji. It was really shocking to see
    * such language from a enlightened devotee like you.

    I request you on behalf of all the members of this divine forum to kindly share
    your knowledge with utmost respect to this divine forum and always be humble while
    replying / responding to the devotees and also while sharing your views with the devotees.

    Ofcourse you are not a "copy paste keeda" like most of us, but you always take out
    time to share your experience and knowledge with your own words/ feelings
    which I like most.

    So, hope you continue your sharings with all of us with the same love you have
    for Baba now onwards & maintaining the  sanctity of this forum.

    Hope you take this message in a positive way,

    OM SAI RAM, SRI SAI RAM, JAI JAI SAI RAM !!!

    * Thank you for deleting the objectionable wordings  :)


    JAI SAI RAM !!!

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    Re: On the futility of mantras, tantras, yantras
    « Reply #3 on: July 10, 2016, 11:16:04 AM »
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  • Jai sai ram ji jai sai ram

    आप सभी मुझसे उम्र और साईं भक्ति में बड़े हैं। और आपकी ये विनम्रता इसकी सूचक हैं। मुझे क्षमा कीजियेगा जो मैंने अपने भाव अच्छे शब्दों में व्यक्त नही किय, बहुत से लोग इन्टरनेट पर मिली जानकारी को reliable मान लेते हैं केवल और केवल इसिलिय इस फोरम पर मैंने पोस्ट किया जो भी किया क्यू की यहा कोई कहता हैं की बाबा तो सर्व धर्म समान हैं सबका मालिक एक हैं ये कहते थे तो फिर मै विवाह में जाति क्यू मानू , इत्यादि। बाबा के नाम पर ऐसा ज्ञान बटता देख मेने ऐसे पोस्ट किय की पढने वाले दोनों पक्ष समझे बात के। गुरु निंदा धर्म निंदा सुनने का पाप शास्त्रों में  कई जगह वर्णित हैं इसिलिय इसे हटाने की मांग की।मेरे शब्दों के लिय मै आप सभी से माफ़ी मांगती हूँ। दृष्टा जी और शैवी जी आपको धन्यवाद , आपको मेरा जो लेख गलत लगे वो आप बेजिझक बता सकती हैं क्यू की बुरा मानना और बुरा लगवाना ये मेरी programming में नही हैं ;D
    जिस कर्म से भगवद प्रेम और भक्ति बढ़े वही सार्थक उद्योग हैं।
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    Re: On the futility of mantras, tantras, yantras
    « Reply #4 on: July 10, 2016, 09:47:17 PM »
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  • Dear Sai ji ka narad muni ji, please keep posting your enlightening posts. Great to see you active on this divine forum   :)

    Baba's love and blessings!!

    Jai Sai Ram

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    Re: On the futility of mantras, tantras, yantras
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    Jai sai ram ji jai sai ram

    आप सभी मुझसे उम्र और साईं भक्ति में बड़े हैं। और आपकी ये विनम्रता इसकी सूचक हैं। मुझे क्षमा कीजियेगा जो मैंने अपने भाव अच्छे शब्दों में व्यक्त नही किय, बहुत से लोग इन्टरनेट पर मिली जानकारी को reliable मान लेते हैं केवल और केवल इसिलिय इस फोरम पर मैंने पोस्ट किया जो भी किया क्यू की यहा कोई कहता हैं की बाबा तो सर्व धर्म समान हैं सबका मालिक एक हैं ये कहते थे तो फिर मै विवाह में जाति क्यू मानू , इत्यादि। बाबा के नाम पर ऐसा ज्ञान बटता देख मेने ऐसे पोस्ट किय की पढने वाले दोनों पक्ष समझे बात के। गुरु निंदा धर्म निंदा सुनने का पाप शास्त्रों में  कई जगह वर्णित हैं इसिलिय इसे हटाने की मांग की।मेरे शब्दों के लिय मै आप सभी से माफ़ी मांगती हूँ। दृष्टा जी और शैवी जी आपको धन्यवाद , आपको मेरा जो लेख गलत लगे वो आप बेजिझक बता सकती हैं क्यू की बुरा मानना और बुरा लगवाना ये मेरी programming में नही हैं ;D

    JAI SAI RAM !!!

     


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