Problems with ChristianityProblems with Christianity

[JR]

A:
1. Jesus Christ claimed himself to be the son of God.
2. It’s also said that God sent his only son (Jesus) to the earth for...
3. On the other hand, Jesus himself is believed to be God.


Points 1 and 2 clearly suggest that God and Jesus are both conceptually and ontologically different entities. Thus point 3 is in contradiction with points 1 and 2.
This contradiction could be resolved if the term God is meant to denote a form of species like the term Man. However, the term God is not at all meant to be a Species but rather a unique almighty entity, over and above everything in the universe.

B:
Where are heaven and hell located ? Up ? If yes, then after few hours they will be down, as earth is spherical and revolves around itself.

C:
What’s the nature of mind, according to Christianity ? Is it spatial or non-spatial ?

D:
What's the mechanism or the way one goes to heaven / hell after death ?

E:
Won’t even heaven be boring considering one has to live there forever ?

F:
What does God look like ? Is he like Man ? Is his sex male ? Does he do sex then ? If yes, with whom ?

G:
The image of God seems to be that of an extremely self-centered entity. He wants his children to love him. And if they don’t he would think of it as a rebel and ultimately send them to hell, forever.

H:
Christianity advocates immovable as well as flat earth theories.

I:
People don’t necessarily get punishments in accordance with their sins. For example, someone could be born orphan, disabled, etc.

J:
God, who is supposed to be eternal, created the non-eternal material universe. However, eternal cannot create anything. Because if it does then it is a form of process and thus non-eternal.

Christianity must address these problems.


ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Father of Superultramodern Science (SS)

[saidasan]

Om Sairam.
Any religion is built by constructing (some) lies one over other. Hinduism included. The reason such discrepancies about evolution of Hinduism aren't published is people here are more obsessed about their religious practices unlike the west where they are little more liberal. Religion was controlled and spread by persons who were inhibited with their dogmas. It's not a fault of God it's only the faulty human mind. The answers to these questions can be found in the book 'Misquoting Jesus' which bursts all dogmas. I have a soft copy of that book, if anyone wants to read it I can email them.

[Kavitaparna]

OM SRI SAI RAM

Religion is a way of life. It is the way we live.

It is the individuals who should be termed as complete or  incomplete.

Every Religion is  very much a complete one. Otherwise, they would have not survived for centuries. However, for their survival, they take in as much as possible as the time passes to enable the people live according to the timings.

The Dharma itself keeps change from time to time. The Dharma followed in Krita Yuga is different from that of Treta Yuga and so on. Based on the people's tendencies and capabilities, the Dharma and the Dharma Sookshma kept on changing. Even the longivity, size, food consumption...etc., of the beings also kept changing as the time passed.

For a Hindu, Christianity may appear an incomplete one and vice versa.

Similarly, for a Hindu, Hinduism itself may look incomplete, same may be the case with a Christian and so on..

First of all, no one is thorough of as to what his own ( the religion in which he took birth) religion is dealing with or teaching.

Even if an attempt is made, there are several factors to understand things in the right sense.

Then where does the practice stand ?
Can we follow the scriptures mutatis mutandis ?
Just becoz they can not be followed, can anyone call them flawful or impractical or rule out their existence ?

Regulations such as the Yama , Niyama etc were followed earlier by the  sishyas / Sadhakas may look unrealistic to the saadhakas of date. But, for that reason , it can not be accepted if one doubts the very existence of such practices.

As for the presence of Hell or Heaven, do we require a separte hell or heaven.  Are we not experiencing Hell and Heaven here, very much on the earth.

There need not be  a separate set of heaven and hell for the souls to take a journey during the interim period of 2 births like a Rly station where the passengers wait for the connecting trains, I feel.

God has better work to do than creation and management of Heaven and Hell.
It is our mind which undergoes the pain (hell) and the Pleasure (Heaven).

Coming to the above post of points of problems with Christianity, there is available vast information in the net, ( apart from the book mentiuoned by Sai brother Saidasan ji, proving them wrong by all means - to more than 55 such flaws enlisted by researchers.

Jai Sai Ram

[posting]

OM SAI RAM,

Lets see the things as it is.We don't need to be reactive.We need to see and feel the truth.

The author is giving his own mind in that book.As per his level of Spirituality or level of his intellect,he wrote this book.At the end of the day BABA is guiding and helping him to write that book in that way.If you think the author has not address the truth properly, we should be compassionate towards the author and pray BABA to guide the author to understand the truth and write it.

No one does anything.Everything is done by BABA.BABA is the doer and enjoyer.But because of our ego we think we are the doer and enjoyer.That's why we suffer.

Differentiating one religion from another is Fanatism.Nothing in this world is urs then how can we say that this religion belong to me or some other people.

Hinduism,Christianity,Buddhism,Islam are not religion.They are our guiding post.

Every person has his own religion as per our Gita Mata.Every person religion is different from another person.Our real religion is towards ours family,society,our country,our mother earth,this environment and the universe.

As Kavitaji has rightly pointed that heaven and hell is here.If u take positively then its heaven.Its all in the mind.So try to keep ourself separated from Mind by doing Akhand Japa of BABA.

Now coming to Jesus.People really never understood him.

Without Relation we never identify with people or anyone.I am Sai Bhakt that why u identify with me.U also some relation with BABA otherwise u could never have identified with Him.

Jesus has relation of Father with the God.He used to call called ABBA.Sounds same like our BABA.

Saints are like drops of water from ocean who come and satisfy the thirst of thirty people and when there work is over,they again become one with the Ocean(BABA).Can u find that drop of water in the ocean.That drop was become ocean.It has become God.All Saints are God.Do not differentiate between them.

SAI,Jesus,Mohammed are just names of same BABA.

Fault is with our mind.So we differentiate things and don't take things in positive sense.If we become egoless then we will undertsand in reality we are doing nothing,only BABA is doing.

THANKS BABA FOR GUIDING AND WRITING

SAI NATH MAHARAJ KI JAI.

SAI NATH ARAPANAMASTU

[sureshsarat]

Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha

Dear All Sairam
I am happy to read such highly intelligent posts and replies. Posting's reply is really great.
Baba used to say "Allah Malik". Then again he used to say he is a mere fakir. Baba used to call god a Fakir. Baba at one point said his name is Sai Baba, his father's name is Sai Baba, his religion is Kabir. Baba did miracles and lived life which can be equated to what Lord Jesus did. Sri guru charitra has Shri Narasimha Saraswati do similar acts like Lord Jesus. Annasiddhi, Annapoorni (food for many as jesus shared a few loaves of bread to many, so did Shri Narasimha Saraswati and Lord Sai almonds of shri. N.chandrokar to many) Then again, all gave life to the dead. All gave vision to the blind. All cured lepers. All gave speech to the dumb. All claimed themselves as son of god, slave of god. So all are parallels. All are SADGURUS : Jesus, Shri Narasimha Swami, Lord Sai, Shri Ragavendra swamy. They come to this earth in human form to help the poor humans, to confirm the faith in god and show the path to righteousness. Sri Guru charitra aptly says that the Trimurthys manifest themselves as SADGURU. And our loving sai said all gods are one. So why the contest ?

And lastly, mankind is intoxicated with knowledge. Science, mathematics, logic. And we think this is the ultimate. "Father of Supeultramodern science " A title given by man to man.
Dear friends, How much more ignorant can we be. The thought itself that we are wise and possess knowledge is our failing, our inner eye is veiled. Some of the greatest saints were termed mad men. Even sai was called that initially.
Bhakti has no logic and no logical answer. The scriptures expound blind faith. We who can talk of blind love with a boy / girl cannot talk of blind faith. We who can fall in love and ignore all the failings of the opposite person, cannot ignore the illogical ideas in faith. If we seek rational answers to everything spiritual then we lose faith. We feel betrayed and remorse. Because who can answer us better on spirituality other than the sadguru. Chapter XXXIX & L  of the SSC teachs how to serve a guru.
So let us surrender ourselves as per the above chapter to our guru.
Suresh

[sureshsarat]

Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Dear Kavita akka Sairam
Religion is to man as body is to soul. In this birth we have this body, we have this religion. What about the next or the earlier ? Sri Guru charitra tells of a simple hindu washerman reborn as muslim king. But the simple washerman had the great sense to ask the guru to bless him and be with him in the next birth too. Therefore, though a muslim king, Sri Narasimha swamiji gave him darshan.
We are preached not pamper our body too much. Same applies to the religion too. As we need to just take care of our body without over pampering so do we need to maintain the rules of our religion. We cannot change our body, similarly we shouldnot change our religion. Thats all.
Baba please help us all to see light !
Suresh

[sureshsarat]

Dear Members please help me in this quest ..


A:
1. Jesus Christ claimed himself to be the son of God.
2. It’s also said that God sent his only son (Jesus) to the earth for...
3. On the other hand, Jesus himself is believed to be God.

 
Points 1 and 2 clearly suggest that God and Jesus are both conceptually and ontologically different entities. Thus point 3 is in contradiction with points 1 and 2.
This contradiction could be resolved if the term God is meant to denote a form of species like the term Man. However, the term God is not at all meant to be a Species but rather a unique almighty entity, over and above everything in the universe.

Baba says god is in all, believe that and realize that god is in you then you are god.
Baba said his name is Saibaba and his father is Saibaba.


B:
Where are heaven and hell located ? Up ? If yes, then after few hours they will be down, as earth is spherical and revolves around itself.

Heaven and hell are our karmic results.

C:
What’s the nature of mind, according to Christianity ? Is it spatial or non-spatial ?

I am not really able to comprehend this question
Mind is what we are and want to be.

D:
What's the mechanism or the way one goes to heaven / hell after death ?

The soul is eternal. It has to endure the results of Karma (B)

E:
Won’t even heaven be boring considering one has to live there forever ?

It is the lifestyle which is always pleasure seeking that leads to boredom.

F:
What does God look like ? Is he like Man ? Is his sex male ? Does he do sex then ? If yes, with whom ?

How do you look ? Are you a man or woman ? How about your sex ? And do you have sex ? This question you need to ask yourself. Bcoz you are god.

G:
The image of God seems to be that of an extremely self-centered entity. He wants his children to love him. And if they don’t he would think of it as a rebel and ultimately send them to hell, forever.

So what’s wrong when you are asked to love yourself.

H:
Christianity advocates immovable as well as flat earth theories.



I:
People don’t necessarily get punishments in accordance with their sins. For example, someone could be born orphan, disabled, etc.

Repenting is the best way of attaining salvation. A punishment is meant to make us repent and reform. So such punishments are more individual oriented (till such time the individual thinks himself different from god) than sin oriented.



J:
God, who is supposed to be eternal, created the non-eternal material universe. However, eternal cannot create anything. Because if it does then it is a form of process and thus non-eternal.



Realising the soul and that soul is eternal, we are god’s creation. 

However, eternal cannot create anything
But again Can the eternal take form ?  Does not the soul take a body ? Then is not  this earth, the stars, moon (Universe) eternal ?
Realizing that everything around us are MAYA will help us.

Christianity must address these problems.

Religion is not the way out of these problems, realization is.
From my Lord Sai – My father, Creator , My Sadguru

 

[posting]

OM SRI SAI

Sai Ram Sureshbhai,

Please advise what are your queries,I may be with BABA's blessing and guidance answer those questions.

Thanks & Regards

Pravin

SAI NATH MAHARAJ KI JAI

[Kavitaparna]

OM SRI SAI RAM

Thammudu, Sai Ram!

A small request !

Pl modify your last post by changing the colour of your comments / opinion since it is a lil confusing for moving up and down to refer back to the original post.

Baba bless U always

Jai Sai Ram

[sureshsarat]

Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha

Dear all Sairam
First of all I am thankful to Jyotiji for this beautiful topic posting (extract). Skepticism and distrust to the so many self proclaimed gurus in addition to this modern age science and our dependence on science and scientific inventions, have contributed to wavering faith. These same type of questions, all of them or in various forms rise in many of the educated mass today. So lets use this as a basis to confirm our faith in Lord Sai. I am attempting to get answers to all the questions from the SSC. So dear friends, help me and guide me.

A:
1. Jesus Christ claimed himself to be the son of God.
2. It’s also said that God sent his only son (Jesus) to the earth for...
3. On the other hand, Jesus himself is believed to be God.

 
Points 1 and 2 clearly suggest that God and Jesus are both conceptually and ontologically different entities. Thus point 3 is in contradiction with points 1 and 2.
This contradiction could be resolved if the term God is meant to denote a form of species like the term Man. However, the term God is not at all meant to be a Species but rather a unique almighty entity, over and above everything in the universe.

--Baba says god is in all, believe that and realize that god is in you then you are god.
Baba said his name is Saibaba and his father is Saibaba.


B:
Where are heaven and hell located ? Up ? If yes, then after few hours they will be down, as earth is spherical and revolves around itself.

--Heaven and hell are our karmic results.

C:
What’s the nature of mind, according to Christianity ? Is it spatial or non-spatial ?

I am not really able to comprehend this question
--Mind is what we are and want to be.

D:
What's the mechanism or the way one goes to heaven / hell after death ?

--The soul is eternal. It has to endure the results of Karma (B)

E:
Won’t even heaven be boring considering one has to live there forever ?

--It is the lifestyle which is always pleasure seeking that leads to boredom.

F:
What does God look like ? Is he like Man ? Is his sex male ? Does he do sex then ? If yes, with whom ?

--How do you look ? Are you a man or woman ? How about your sex ? And do you have sex ? This question you need to ask yourself. Bcoz you are god.

G:
The image of God seems to be that of an extremely self-centered entity. He wants his children to love him. And if they don’t he would think of it as a rebel and ultimately send them to hell, forever.

--So what’s wrong when you are asked to love yourself.

H:
Christianity advocates immovable as well as flat earth theories.



I:
People don’t necessarily get punishments in accordance with their sins. For example, someone could be born orphan, disabled, etc.

--Repenting is the best way of attaining salvation. A punishment is meant to make us repent and reform. So such punishments are more individual oriented (till such time the individual thinks himself different from god) than sin oriented.



J:
God, who is supposed to be eternal, created the non-eternal material universe. However, eternal cannot create anything. Because if it does then it is a form of process and thus non-eternal.



Realising the soul and that soul is eternal, we are god’s creation. 

However, eternal cannot create anything
--But again Can the eternal take form ?  Does not the soul take a body ? Then is not  this earth, the stars, moon (Universe) eternal ?
Realizing that everything around us are MAYA will help us.

Christianity must address these problems.

--Religion is not the way out of these problems, realization is.
--From my Lord Sai – My father, Creator , My Sadguru

 

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Father of Superultramodern Science (SS)

[SS91]

SaiRam

Whatever is the religion all I wish to say,

Of course, all religions are not the same; But it is the Goal, that is: Self Realisation.

All that remains, is The Truth. Jaisairam.

People all over the world eat different food at breakfast; bacon and toast in the west, Idli and Dosa in

India - but the goal of eating breakfast is the same - to give one the energy to start off the day,

is it  not?

Why bother how you would eat your breakfast; using forks and spoons or chopticks or simply your hand?

Just eat your own food in silent and peace.

The wise guru says, don’t speak while you eat. is it not?

I don't want to say anymore but let us all as usual pray our Sad Guru Shirdi Baba

to guide us and bless us in every way.

Sai bless us all.

Jaisairam.

[sureshsarat]

Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha

Akka Sairam
I have put a "--" in front of those lines put by me.
Suresh

[saidasan]

my 2 cents to some questions.

What does God look like ? Is he like Man ? Is his sex male ? Does he do sex then ? If yes, with whom ?

God doesn't look like anything. He is not confined to sexes. God is the creator of infinite things and shapes so God has the power to take any shape. In simple words he cannot be confined to shapes and sizes. He did it when he was Jesus or Baba or anyone for the simple reason that men and women could identify & relate God through their limited vision.


The image of God seems to be that of an extremely self-centered entity. He wants his children to love him. And if they don’t he would think of it as a rebel and ultimately send them to hell, forever.

Nope. It is not self-centered. He wants his children to love him because they don’t hate each other. He doesn't consider anyone as rebel or Bhakta. In God's eyes a Bhakta and rebel are one and the same. Then you might ask Why a Bhakta gets his blessings and a rebel doesn't? For the simple reason the bhakta is getting rewards for performing his duty – like us getting a monthly pay-check.
So what's this duty in todays world? Please refer Karma yoga in Bhagavat Gita.

Christianity advocates immovable as well as flat earth theories.

In olden days there were eternal conflicts between scientists and Clergy. The so called holy men from church cut-off Galileo's finger for proving Earth was spherical. Such fallacies were spread under the name of religion.

People don't necessarily get punishments in accordance with their sins

People certainly get punishments in accordance with their sins. But when they get it is determined by their Karma. If one has abundant good Sanchitha karma from previous births it would relegate the effect of sins commited in present birth and he/she would not born as an orphan or disabled.

[posting]

OM SAI RAM,

Every Living Being is son or daughter of BABA because he is the creator of everyone. From BABA the world came into existence. So all the living being can claim that they are son or daughter of GOD. But we don’t claim so because we have not seen God nor we never ever experienced GOD as our father. We have just seen our and experienced our Biological Father. We can only relate to our seen Biological Father and we cannot accept any other person as our Father. We have not seen GOD so we cannot relate to him. We only relate to seen things or person. Unseen things are out of Question to relate.GOD is unseen. But in reality GOD is our producer and nourisher like our Parents. GOD is our Real Father as well as Mother. Until we don’t experience the unseen God we cannot accept God as our Father or Mother.

Now Jesus through vigorous meditation and Tapa got realization. He realized that through GOD only everything in this Universe Proceed. God is his real Father. This is truth .Any person after getting realized this truth that God is his real Father would always claim that he is the son of GOD. Even though He cannot be seen with this earthly eyes.

Non enlighted people or the author claim that he Jesus was only son of GOD because the  author or they could not relate themselves to GOD as their Father. Because they have not seen GOD nor they have fatherly feeling for GOD.

In reality according to Advaita there is just ONE in this whole universe and that is GOD. Other things are illusion. Just ONE SOUL and ONE MIND is there. There is no second.When person gets Realization or Nirvana, he feels and realizes that there is no one other than him in this universe. Because he has become one with the Ocean(GOD).Do the river feels itself river after it has merged into the ocean water. Never. In the  same way when we get Realization we know we are GOD .

Since Jesus got Enlightment or he had become one with GOD so he is GOD.

Jesus said that "Love thy neighbour as urself".If you see whole universe is ur neighbour.Every creature,thing,stars,molecules are all ur neighbours.If you love them as urself then u will find there is just one you in this world.So u become GOD.So Saints say that the Whole Universe is our Home.

SHRISAINATH ARPANAMASTU

[Kavitaparna]

Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha

Akka Sairam
I have put a "--" in front of those lines put by me.
Suresh

OM SRI SAI RAM

Thammudu, Sai Ram

Thank U

Baba bless U
Sai Ram