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Re: Tests of God
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2009, 04:56:16 AM »
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  • Just Awesome! Thanks for such a great & wonderful message. Enough to awaken and raise one who had been sleeping for long!

    “This entire creation has only a single aim, no other aim
    That single aim is to entertain Me for my pleasure always
    You are an iota of this infinite universe, then can there be
    A separate aim for your existence and life? Realize this.

    Oldest Faith about God. Might be true, Sub conscious mind can accept this, but not conscious mind. God’s Purpose cannot be so small. It is not necessary for everything or everyone to have aim, Something happen without any attempt, without any aim (current), Buddha attained Gyan when left efforts. All efforts failed, Dropped the aim, and got ultimate Knowledge!

    You have forgotten Me completely and the real aim also
    Some of your brothers say that I do not exist at all!
    Some accept Me but not in this present human form
    They accept Me in energetic body or statue representation.
     
    God can not be forgotten, I never forget I have two hands, Two Eyes, Two Legs, Heart, Brain as I am never away from them. They are my part. They have to work as per their system already established for me until I disturb. Similarly Devotee is always part of Lord, He does not need to remember Lord, Mobile Set needed to be charged frequently, But not the telephone instrument who is flowing with regular current, fix with regular wire a permanent connection. Current can not be seen, But it exist always!

     You are surrounded by some souls interacting with you
    Such interactions developed bonds with different intensities
    Like family, parents, relatives, caste, religion, Nationality etc.
    But remember that all these are souls only like yourself.

    All relations are temporary, even with oneself. All restricted to Sub conscious mind only. When Soul leaves the body, attain original form. Play is over.

    When you cannot uplift your self, it is proved that
    A soul cannot uplift any other soul from this world
    Then, why this blind love on the souls or other items
    Existing in this creation? The end is endless misery only.

    A candle can lit thousands of candles, If used!

    Of course, I cannot also uplift you in anyway if I am
    A human being only acting in the imposed role of God
    But I can certainly uplift and protect you always
    Here and there if I am God in the role of human being.

    It is own law of Creator, In human form not to come with all powers. Ordinary Humans can’t face that light.

    Therefore, you cannot generalize that all the souls
    Are inefficient to protect the soul, there is exception
    God coming in the form of a soul into this world
    Protects all the souls if you surrender with full faith”.

    Yes, But it is only God who makes his beloved devotee to come under his shelter and surrender!

    As per message lots of character from Mahabharata enough to illustrate God Can be recognized only with the blessings of God.

    When some devotees expressed their unimaginable love
    I conducted serious tests with horrible Rajas and Tamas
    Several ran away but a few stood with all firmness
    Their faith in Me is like the mighty Himalayan mountain.

    Circle Completes, Without passing the test, Can’t Get Divine Love i.e. Lord Himself, All has to prove that are worth to be one with Lord, No matter how beloved devotee one is. At basic level it is very easy to adopt devotion, but at advance level problems increases as all senses start function strongly to test firmness and level of devotee i.e. anger, lust, pride, jealousy, laziness………………………………..etc. etc.!

    All is Sai! Sai is All!


    om sri sai ram!





    om sai ram!
    Anant Koti Brahmand Nayak Raja Dhi Raj Yogi Raj, Para Brahma Shri Sachidanand Satguru Sri Sai Nath Maharaj !
    Budhihin Tanu Janike, Sumiro Pavan Kumar, Bal Budhi Vidhya Dehu Mohe, Harahu Kalesa Vikar !
    ........................  बाकी सब तो सपने है, बस साईं ही तेरे अपने है, साईं ही तेरे अपने है, साईं ही तेरे अपने है !!

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    Re: Tests of God
    « Reply #16 on: October 26, 2009, 07:00:14 AM »
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  • Just Awesome! Thanks for such a great & wonderful message. Enough to awaken and raise one who had been sleeping for long!

    “This entire creation has only a single aim, no other aim
    That single aim is to entertain Me for my pleasure always
    You are an iota of this infinite universe, then can there be
    A separate aim for your existence and life? Realize this.

    Oldest Faith about God. Might be true, Sub conscious mind can accept this, but not conscious mind. God’s Purpose cannot be so small. It is not necessary for everything or everyone to have aim, Something happen without any attempt, without any aim (current), Buddha attained Gyan when left efforts. All efforts failed, Dropped the aim, and got ultimate Knowledge!

    You have forgotten Me completely and the real aim also
    Some of your brothers say that I do not exist at all!
    Some accept Me but not in this present human form
    They accept Me in energetic body or statue representation.
     
    God can not be forgotten, I never forget I have two hands, Two Eyes, Two Legs, Heart, Brain as I am never away from them. They are my part. They have to work as per their system already established for me until I disturb. Similarly Devotee is always part of Lord, He does not need to remember Lord, Mobile Set needed to be charged frequently, But not the telephone instrument who is flowing with regular current, fix with regular wire a permanent connection. Current can not be seen, But it exist always!

     You are surrounded by some souls interacting with you
    Such interactions developed bonds with different intensities
    Like family, parents, relatives, caste, religion, Nationality etc.
    But remember that all these are souls only like yourself.

    All relations are temporary, even with oneself. All restricted to Sub conscious mind only. When Soul leaves the body, attain original form. Play is over.

    When you cannot uplift your self, it is proved that
    A soul cannot uplift any other soul from this world
    Then, why this blind love on the souls or other items
    Existing in this creation? The end is endless misery only.

    A candle can lit thousands of candles, If used!

    Of course, I cannot also uplift you in anyway if I am
    A human being only acting in the imposed role of God
    But I can certainly uplift and protect you always
    Here and there if I am God in the role of human being.

    It is own law of Creator, In human form not to come with all powers. Ordinary Humans can’t face that light.

    Therefore, you cannot generalize that all the souls
    Are inefficient to protect the soul, there is exception
    God coming in the form of a soul into this world
    Protects all the souls if you surrender with full faith”.

    Yes, But it is only God who makes his beloved devotee to come under his shelter and surrender!

    As per message lots of character from Mahabharata enough to illustrate God Can be recognized only with the blessings of God.

    When some devotees expressed their unimaginable love
    I conducted serious tests with horrible Rajas and Tamas
    Several ran away but a few stood with all firmness
    Their faith in Me is like the mighty Himalayan mountain.

    Circle Completes, Without passing the test, Can’t Get Divine Love i.e. Lord Himself, All has to prove that are worth to be one with Lord, No matter how beloved devotee one is. At basic level it is very easy to adopt devotion, but at advance level problems increases as all senses start function strongly to test firmness and level of devotee i.e. anger, lust, pride, jealousy, laziness………………………………..etc. etc.!

    All is Sai! Sai is All!


    om sri sai ram!







    Worship and service to Lord should be without any expectation

    When you worship the Lord you should not aspire for any fruit in return. Some people sacrifice work and money but they aspire for some fruit in return. Such a service is again a waste. If you do Nishkama Karma Yoga, which is the service to the Lord without expecting anything from the Lord, then alone will the Lord come in human form and suffer for your sins. Then alone can you get rid of your sins. Other than this one path there is no alternative. Either you have to pay or your father (the Lord in human form) has to pay the fine for your sins. If you pester the Lord through the present rituals and methods of worship, the Lord will only make rearrangements to your file of Karma.

     He will bring the good results, which you were supposed to enjoy in your next birth, to the present. However this rearrangement will lead to a loss in value as in case of a premature encashment of deposits. You do not know this secret and you think that you have flattered the Lord and got rid of your sins. What you do not know is that your present sins are thrown to next birth with increased interest. Your future life cycle will be full of miseries from birth to death due to such interference. Therefore the Lord is cleverer than you when you adopt the ways of business with Him.

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    Re: Tests of God
    « Reply #17 on: October 26, 2009, 07:16:14 AM »
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  • Worship and service to Lord should be without any expectation

    When you worship the Lord you should not aspire for any fruit in return. Some people sacrifice work and money but they aspire for some fruit in return. Such a service is again a waste. If you do Nishkama Karma Yoga, which is the service to the Lord without expecting anything from the Lord, then alone will the Lord come in human form and suffer for your sins. Then alone can you get rid of your sins. Other than this one path there is no alternative. Either you have to pay or your father (the Lord in human form) has to pay the fine for your sins. If you pester the Lord through the present rituals and methods of worship, the Lord will only make rearrangements to your file of Karma.

    No Doubt, When you apply in an unknown new company, You want to know what package it will offer, What will be leave policy, How often you have to travel, When next increment will due, what would be KRA or BSC..............But when you join an established well known company you don't expect any thing, as you know you are going to gain the best. Similarly affair with worldly people there is always chances to lose your love or everything, But not with the affair with Lord as there is only to gain and nothing to lose except own false identity!If you are a good employee your present employer can protect you from monetary loses like notice pay or annual bonus, same way if you are a beloved devotee, Baba protects from the fire of hell (Even for that he has to bear) for the past bad karmas!

    He will bring the good results, which you were supposed to enjoy in your next birth, to the present. However this rearrangement will lead to a loss in value as in case of a premature encashment of deposits. You do not know this secret and you think that you have flattered the Lord and got rid of your sins. What you do not know is that your present sins are thrown to next birth with increased interest. Your future life cycle will be full of miseries from birth to death due to such interference. Therefore the Lord is cleverer than you when you adopt the ways of business with Him.

    If affair with Lord, No result is postponed to next life and even if this happens, Lord prepare and grant enough strength to understand and play role assigned without entering into it. Just to enjoy good or bad both parts of life under the divine shadow of lord as well thy sweet and holy name!

    All is Sai! Sai is All!

    om sri sai ram!




    om sai ram!
    Anant Koti Brahmand Nayak Raja Dhi Raj Yogi Raj, Para Brahma Shri Sachidanand Satguru Sri Sai Nath Maharaj !
    Budhihin Tanu Janike, Sumiro Pavan Kumar, Bal Budhi Vidhya Dehu Mohe, Harahu Kalesa Vikar !
    ........................  बाकी सब तो सपने है, बस साईं ही तेरे अपने है, साईं ही तेरे अपने है, साईं ही तेरे अपने है !!

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    Re: Tests of God
    « Reply #18 on: October 26, 2009, 07:19:15 AM »
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  • Worship and service to Lord should be without any expectation

    When you worship the Lord you should not aspire for any fruit in return. Some people sacrifice work and money but they aspire for some fruit in return. Such a service is again a waste. If you do Nishkama Karma Yoga, which is the service to the Lord without expecting anything from the Lord, then alone will the Lord come in human form and suffer for your sins. Then alone can you get rid of your sins. Other than this one path there is no alternative. Either you have to pay or your father (the Lord in human form) has to pay the fine for your sins. If you pester the Lord through the present rituals and methods of worship, the Lord will only make rearrangements to your file of Karma.

    No Doubt, When you apply in an unknown new company, You want to know what package it will offer, What will be leave policy, How often you have to travel, When next increment will due, what would be KRA or BSC..............But when you join an established well known company you don't expect any thing, as you know you are going to gain the best. Similarly affair with worldly people there is always chances to lose your love or everything, But not with the affair with Lord as there is only to gain and nothing to lose except own false identity!If you are a good employee your present employer can protect you from monetary loses like notice pay or annual bonus, same way if you are a beloved devotee, Baba protects from the fire of hell (Even for that he has to bear) for the past bad karmas!

    He will bring the good results, which you were supposed to enjoy in your next birth, to the present. However this rearrangement will lead to a loss in value as in case of a premature encashment of deposits. You do not know this secret and you think that you have flattered the Lord and got rid of your sins. What you do not know is that your present sins are thrown to next birth with increased interest. Your future life cycle will be full of miseries from birth to death due to such interference. Therefore the Lord is cleverer than you when you adopt the ways of business with Him.

    If affair with Lord, No result is postponed to next life and even if this happens, Lord prepare and grant enough strength to understand and play role assigned without entering into it. Just to enjoy good or bad both parts of life under the divine shadow of lord as well thy sweet and holy name!

    All is Sai! Sai is All!

    om sri sai ram!






    The human life is neither for doing good deeds nor for doing bad deeds


    Gita says that a realized soul who uses the analysis by intelligence leaves the concepts of both happiness obtained by doing good deeds and misery obtained by doing bad deeds (Buddhi Yukto Jahatiha Ubhe Sukruta Dushkrute). This means that you are trying for the temporary happiness of heaven and trying to avoid the temporary misery of hell here as well as in the upper world. This means that if you are analyzing the scriptures with sharp logic to realize the ultimate goal of the human life, you will not be interested in neither happiness nor in misery during the life as well as after death.

    The ultimate goal of life is not anything related to your self, because it is aimed at pleasing the creator since the original aim of this creation is only the pleasure of the Lord through entertainment. Therefore, the original aim of yourself, other selves and the entire universe is only to serve the Lord and please Him.

    Then, you will be blessed by the Lord with His eternal divine grace and your life is fulfilled. Therefore, the human life is neither for doing good deeds nor for doing bad deeds and it is also not for enjoying the good fruits or bad fruits. You are wasting the human life in doing good works and some times doing bad works due to the force of your ignorance. By this very little time is left over here to serve the Lord. If this little time is also used for enjoying good and bad fruits, no time is left for you to do the service to God and get His blessings. Hence, to save at least this little time for realization of spiritual knowledge and subsequent involvement in the divine service, at least the enjoyment of good and bad deeds is postponed to a latter time and at a latter place. The latter time is after death and latter places are hell and heaven. This is the reason for creation of hell and heaven separately to enjoy the results after death.

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    Re: Tests of God
    « Reply #19 on: October 26, 2009, 07:44:35 AM »
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  • What is Good and What is Bad?
    What is happiness and what is sorrow?

    A Pan Drive can store 1 GB to 10 GB Data, External Hard Disk upto 400 GB and Super Computer with more than 3000 GB of Ram to 160 TB Storage, Same way We human have limited capabilities in various areas of life. Some blessed with special skills or some develop through special practices, But all have a limit. Like to break the gravity of earth, special extra force is required, To raise from ordinary human level divine name of lord directly or in mediation help. No one can analysis Karmas with limited beliefs and capabilities e.g, someone killed one who has two small kids, this is sin and no doubt the killer will be punished, But the same happens in battlefield, Killer (Soldier) will be awarded for his bravery!

    Do Agree, Indulge in any deed whether good or bad is part of human nature. It is very advance level to lost in the name of lord constantly like hanuman ji. If surrender completely with full faith, Lord himself guide and direct his life and allow him in the his own very (personal) world beyond Heaven and Hell because then no difference remains between Dear Lord and his beloved devotee!

    All is Sai! Sai is All!


    om sri sai ram!

    om sai ram!
    Anant Koti Brahmand Nayak Raja Dhi Raj Yogi Raj, Para Brahma Shri Sachidanand Satguru Sri Sai Nath Maharaj !
    Budhihin Tanu Janike, Sumiro Pavan Kumar, Bal Budhi Vidhya Dehu Mohe, Harahu Kalesa Vikar !
    ........................  बाकी सब तो सपने है, बस साईं ही तेरे अपने है, साईं ही तेरे अपने है, साईं ही तेरे अपने है !!

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    Re: Tests of God
    « Reply #20 on: October 26, 2009, 07:48:54 AM »
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  • What is Good and What is Bad?
    What is happiness and what is sorrow?

    A Pan Drive can store 1 GB to 10 GB Data, External Hard Disk upto 400 GB and Super Computer with more than 3000 GB of Ram to 160 TB Storage, Same way We human have limited capabilities in various areas of life. Some blessed with special skills or some develop through special practices, But all have a limit. Like to break the gravity of earth, special extra force is required, To raise from ordinary human level divine name of lord directly or in mediation help. No one can analysis Karmas with limited beliefs and capabilities e.g, someone killed one who has two small kids, this is sin and no doubt the killer will be punished, But the same happens in battlefield, Killer (Soldier) will be awarded for his bravery!

    Do Agree, Indulge in any deed whether good or bad is part of human nature. It is very advance level to lost in the name of lord constantly like hanuman ji. If surrender completely with full faith, Lord himself guide and direct his life and allow him in the his own very (personal) world beyond Heaven and Hell because then no difference remains between Dear Lord and his beloved devotee!

    All is Sai! Sai is All!


    om sri sai ram!



    No good deed can cancel the bad deed.

    I will give you a small example.


    A daughter-in-law is serving her mother-in-law or father-in-law. The service is inevitable. If the service is done with good intention by treating the father-in-law as father or mother-in-law as mother, the good fruit in heaven is fully enjoyed. Suppose the daughter-in-law serves them sincerely due to unavoidable circumstances and scolds them with hatred in mind, what is the result? The good fruit in heaven is reduced to half and half bad fruit appears in the hell for the bad intention.

    The good fruit of good deed can never cancel the bad fruit of bad deed. Fruits of goods deeds and bad deeds have to be enjoyed separately. If you create a provision to cancel a bad deed by doing a good deed, every one will commit sins by emotion and then will try to cancel the sins later on by doing good deeds. Therefore, when the Priest says that by doing a ritual, all your sins are destroyed, it is a point of climax of ignorance. No good deed can cancel the bad deed.

     Kauravas(demons) had ninety nine per cent sins and one per cent good deeds. They went to heaven first to enjoy the little good deeds and went to hell later on to enjoy the major bad deeds. Pandavas(devotees) are vice-versa and hence went to hell first and then to heaven later on. In both cases, mutual cancellation is not exhibited as we see in the Mahabharata (Swargarohana parva). Now, I pity the daughter-in-law who has sincerely served the in-laws but went to hell simply for the sake of bad intention. The daughter-in-law who has not served in-laws with bad intention goes to permanent hell. The daughter-in-law who has served her in-laws sincerely but had bad intention in her mind goes to both hell and heaven separately. The daughter-in-law who has served her in-laws with good intention thinking them as her own parents has gone to permanent heaven. The daughter-in-law who has good intention in her mind to serve her in-laws will some how serve them directly or indirectly and will not go to hell.


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    « Reply #21 on: October 26, 2009, 08:07:54 AM »
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  • No good deed can cancel the bad deed.

    Completely Agree!

    But exception are here too!

    In corporate world there is rule Notice pay will not be adjusted against balance of Leaves. Leave will be encashed as part of F&F Settlement and Notice Pay will come as recovery. (As theoretically).

    But, What will happen if someone dies in accident, Should a notice be accepted from Him, Will Notice pay be deducted in making F&F settlement to his family?

    Again We human have limited capabilities to analyse, But Thy is unlimited:

    Intention is important, But cause behind the intention is also important. Daughter in Law suppose to Serve Mother in Law and father in Law Both. She takes care of Mother in Law for good reasons, But ignores father in law. She has to suffer hell for Father in law and Enjoy Heaven For Mother in Law, But now if she ignores Father in Law for some of his infected disease, She can justify, More over if She treat him badly due to his lustful behaviors, Still She won't be accused of not serving both mother in law and father in law and granted heaven in spite of bad behavior with father in law.

    All is Sai! Sai is All!


    om sri sai ram!
    om sai ram!
    Anant Koti Brahmand Nayak Raja Dhi Raj Yogi Raj, Para Brahma Shri Sachidanand Satguru Sri Sai Nath Maharaj !
    Budhihin Tanu Janike, Sumiro Pavan Kumar, Bal Budhi Vidhya Dehu Mohe, Harahu Kalesa Vikar !
    ........................  बाकी सब तो सपने है, बस साईं ही तेरे अपने है, साईं ही तेरे अपने है, साईं ही तेरे अपने है !!

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    « Reply #22 on: October 26, 2009, 08:10:21 AM »
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  • No good deed can cancel the bad deed.

    Completely Agree!

    But exception are here too!

    In corporate world there is rule Notice pay will not be adjusted against balance of Leaves. Leave will be encashed as part of F&F Settlement and Notice Pay will come as recovery. (As theoretically).

    But, What will happen if someone dies in accident, Should a notice be accepted from Him, Will Notice pay be deducted in making F&F settlement to his family?

    Again We human have limited capabilities to analyse, But Thy is unlimited:

    Intention is important, But cause behind the intention is also important. Daughter in Law suppose to Serve Mother in Law and father in Law Both. She takes care of Mother in Law for good reasons, But ignores father in law. She has to suffer hell for Father in law and Enjoy Heaven For Mother in Law, But now if she ignores Father in Law for some of his infected disease, She can justify, More over if She treat him badly due to his lustful behaviors, Still She won't be accused of not serving both mother in law and father in law and granted heaven in spite of bad behavior with father in law.

    All is Sai! Sai is All!


    om sri sai ram!


    Intention of sin and the subsequent result

    Gita says that the concept of cycle of deeds is complicated (Gahana Karmano Gatih…). The action or deed by itself is inert without the intention of mind and has no result. When you are walking on the road, an ant may be accidentally killed under your foot. There is no sin for this deed because the intention of mind (samkalpa) is not there. Suppose you have intention to kill the ant and subsequently kill it. This is a deed associated with mind and hence will have the full punishment.

    Suppose you have the intention to kill the ant but some how the deed is not successful due to miraculous escape of ant, you will have half of the punishment for the intention. Since the effect of your intention is not received by the ant, the other half of the punishment is cancelled. Therefore, action without intention has no fruit. Action with intention has full fruit. The intention without action has half fruit. Why should you enjoy the half fruit for your intention when the action is not materialized?

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  • Gita says that the concept of cycle of deeds is complicated (Gahana Karmano Gatih…). The action or deed by itself is inert without the intention of mind and has no result. When you are walking on the road, an ant may be accidentally killed under your foot. There is no sin for this deed because the intention of mind (samkalpa) is not there. Suppose you have intention to kill the ant and subsequently kill it. This is a deed associated with mind and hence will have the full punishment.

    Absolute Truth!

    Suppose you have the intention to kill the ant but some how the deed is not successful due to miraculous escape of ant, you will have half of the punishment for the intention. Since the effect of your intention is not received by the ant, the other half of the punishment is cancelled. Therefore, action without intention has no fruit. Action with intention has full fruit. The intention without action has half fruit. Why should you enjoy the half fruit for your intention when the action is not materialized? 

    Sorry, But do not agree due to my belief system! Jesus Says Concept of Sin/an idea to commit sin or a Sin Committed, Punishment is same for both. If one thinks to steal money, Plan but could not steal due to whatsoever reason and one stole the money successfully, Both have to suffer the hell. Sin committed in real world or in mind, For Law of karma, Both are equal if there is no repentance in any of the case! that's why for a devotee purity of karmas and soul is mandatory and sometimes he has to suffer lot in the process of purification!

    All is Sai! Sai is All!


    om sri sai ram!
    om sai ram!
    Anant Koti Brahmand Nayak Raja Dhi Raj Yogi Raj, Para Brahma Shri Sachidanand Satguru Sri Sai Nath Maharaj !
    Budhihin Tanu Janike, Sumiro Pavan Kumar, Bal Budhi Vidhya Dehu Mohe, Harahu Kalesa Vikar !
    ........................  बाकी सब तो सपने है, बस साईं ही तेरे अपने है, साईं ही तेरे अपने है, साईं ही तेरे अपने है !!

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    « Reply #24 on: October 27, 2009, 06:32:04 AM »
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  • Got at Net, good to understand:

    SIX REASONS WHY GOD TESTS US:

    1.   GOD TESTS OUR CHARACTER & INTEGRITY - TO SEE IF WE WILL LOVINGLY OBEY HIM
    2.   TO REVEAL WHAT IS PRESENTLY IN OUR HEARTS, WHETHER GOOD OR BAD
    3.   TO FIND OUT IF YOU WILL YOU DO THINGS FOR GOD'S GLORY OR FOR MERE FAME & FORTUNE?
    4.   TO PRODUCE FRUITS OF PATIENCE, LEADING TO— SANCTIFICATION & CONFORMITY TO LORD
    5.   REVEAL & SHOW HIS FAITHFULNESS, MERCIES, LOVE, AND COMFORT TO HIS HOLY PEOPLE
    6.   MAKE US WORTHY OF HIS KINGDOM— TO REWARD OVERCOMERS WITH THE CROWN OF LIFE


    God You know everything, Still test, only to show us our shortcomings, not to disgrace us, but to identify and overcome all weaknesses so that we can qualify to become one with you! It is only your mercy that you consider some one worth of your tests. It is all your Grace!

    Sai is All! All is Sai!

    om sri sai ram!
    om sai ram!
    Anant Koti Brahmand Nayak Raja Dhi Raj Yogi Raj, Para Brahma Shri Sachidanand Satguru Sri Sai Nath Maharaj !
    Budhihin Tanu Janike, Sumiro Pavan Kumar, Bal Budhi Vidhya Dehu Mohe, Harahu Kalesa Vikar !
    ........................  बाकी सब तो सपने है, बस साईं ही तेरे अपने है, साईं ही तेरे अपने है, साईं ही तेरे अपने है !!

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    « Reply #25 on: October 31, 2009, 11:30:05 PM »
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  • Punishment given for a sin is only to change the mind of the soul and purify it. There is no trace of revenge in this. The hell is an indication of the intensive love of God to the souls through which God wants to reform the souls. The hell indicates the hectic effort of God put on the soul to reform it and not to leave the soul for its fate. A father may leave his son since he is not changing inspite of all his efforts. But in the hell God puts serious effort and succeeds to change the soul. Therefore, even thousands of fathers cannot be equal to God. God is not leaving the soul without changing it and this point is indicated by the punishment and hell. Therefore, there is no point of excusing the Prarabhdas if this true basis is understood. God will try to change the soul through preaching as far as possible. Punishment in the hell is the last resort. Once the soul is reformed all the sins are smashed since there is neither the necessity of preaching nor the necessity of punishment.


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    Re: Tests of God
    « Reply #26 on: November 01, 2009, 03:48:40 AM »
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  • Hats Off to you Dear for such a wonderful and excellent definition of Hell. Before this there was some other thinking was in my mind with some questions for the hell. But, now not only all questions answered, but also strengthened my faith in Lord, and Yes Love and Respect Too!

    Thanks Again!


    om sri sai ram!
    om sai ram!
    Anant Koti Brahmand Nayak Raja Dhi Raj Yogi Raj, Para Brahma Shri Sachidanand Satguru Sri Sai Nath Maharaj !
    Budhihin Tanu Janike, Sumiro Pavan Kumar, Bal Budhi Vidhya Dehu Mohe, Harahu Kalesa Vikar !
    ........................  बाकी सब तो सपने है, बस साईं ही तेरे अपने है, साईं ही तेरे अपने है, साईं ही तेरे अपने है !!

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    Re: Tests of God
    « Reply #27 on: November 20, 2009, 01:50:03 AM »
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  • Why God tests all before He trusts and Graces?
    Answer: No. God is so great that He Graces first to His best and then tests slowly and steadily. He makes all live happily first and then avails Himself to sanction the Highest Grace - BLISS - provided they yearn and become zero. Otherwise He is not at all bothered much!

    The Pranashakti within is God. So you live because He is not leaving. 90% of the physiological actions of the human body are done by God, the Almighty. You think, feel, make, do, serve and earn because of Him only. You may eat but He is ready to digest and assimilate the food. You may conceive the stones with the rice but He carefully excretes the stones next day and maintains perfect silence. Never He craves for name and fame! Thus He graces first immensely and makes you to live, enjoy and merry without second thought.

    But He has other responsibility too, to make you reap your own Karma. He has given you Wisdom (Viveka) and Dispassion (Vairagya) and it is your responsibility to use them correctly and repent for all the karmic knots which you know or don't know. If you become 'zero' with 100% purity, promptness and perfection God is there even to erase your karmic load and grant you His Highest Grace - BLISS and then He trusts you more rather than testing you! Be alert and awaken your Atmashakti and try to experience God's Grace maximum at the earliest.


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    om sai ram!
    Anant Koti Brahmand Nayak Raja Dhi Raj Yogi Raj, Para Brahma Shri Sachidanand Satguru Sri Sai Nath Maharaj !
    Budhihin Tanu Janike, Sumiro Pavan Kumar, Bal Budhi Vidhya Dehu Mohe, Harahu Kalesa Vikar !
    ........................  बाकी सब तो सपने है, बस साईं ही तेरे अपने है, साईं ही तेरे अपने है, साईं ही तेरे अपने है !!

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    Re: Tests of God
    « Reply #28 on: November 20, 2009, 03:26:38 AM »
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  • Punishment given for a sin is only to change the mind of the soul and purify it. There is no trace of revenge in this. The hell is an indication of the intensive love of God to the souls through which God wants to reform the souls. The hell indicates the hectic effort of God put on the soul to reform it and not to leave the soul for its fate. A father may leave his son since he is not changing inspite of all his efforts. But in the hell God puts serious effort and succeeds to change the soul. Therefore, even thousands of fathers cannot be equal to God. God is not leaving the soul without changing it and this point is indicated by the punishment and hell. Therefore, there is no point of excusing the Prarabhdas if this true basis is understood. God will try to change the soul through preaching as far as possible. Punishment in the hell is the last resort. Once the soul is reformed all the sins are smashed since there is neither the necessity of preaching nor the necessity of punishment.


    Every thing in this world is good – since God created it

    After attaining God through knowledge, - practice is the next step,
    Ignorance of all things other than God – is essential for concentration.
    Veda says that OAM is bow, soul is arrow, - God is the target for you,
    Here the arrow is not the target, - hence the soul is not God at all.
    First knowledge of bow, arrow and – target is necessary and then
    Action of applying arrow on bow – and diversion from sides is action,
    Finally fixation of eye on target is – achieved by the ignorance of
    All other side items only and such – ignorance is final concentration.
    Thus, ignorance or rigidity is – created by God for good purpose only.
    When it is used in proper place, - it becomes good and hence,
    Every thing in this world is good – since God created it.
    Anything becomes bad when – it is used for other purpose than
    The purpose for which God created it, - even in Pravrutti, it is needed.

    When a friend hurts you and repents, - you have to forget the past,
    Here ignorance of past is needed, - devotees are born from Shiva only.
    Radha and Hanuman were rigid devotees, - even Gopikas were also
    Followers of Shiva as sages in – past birth with pasted hair and skin,
    All their physical nature indicates Shiva, - hence Ramanuja told that
    Shiva is the king of devotees, - it is unfortunate that Vaishnava devotees
    Criticize Shiva, are they not demons – like Hiranyakashipu who criticized
    Vishnu? When Uddhava came and–started preaching Advaita philosophy,
    Gopikas told that there is no space – in their minds other than Krishna.

    They were rigid to learn anything – other than their Krishna, who was
    Their contemporary human incarnation, - similarly Hanuman was rigid
    In His firm faith on Rama in spite of – various severe tests of Rama.
    God born as Master is Vishnu, - same God born as devotee is Shiva.


     


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