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Offline dattaswami

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My son died in an accident why God is so cruel?
« on: July 02, 2009, 09:36:34 AM »
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    Your question shows that you are not the real devotee of the Lord. Your son must have been a real devotee as expressed by your own words. He was born to you by his previous action (Prarabdha). In your association he will be certainly spoiled. Therefore the Lord wanted to change him as a son of another real devotee. He allowed some time to see whether you will change as a real devotee so that your son may continue with you. But you have not changed because you are scolding the Lord for cutting your bond with your son. Actually all the family bonds should be cut for the sake of the bond with the Lord. Just like you change your son from a school containing bad students to a school with good students, the Lord changed your son to the atmosphere of a real devotee. Thus the Lord protected your son. In His view, removing this external body is just like removing the shirt. In your view, such removal of shirt is cruelty. Therefore always be firm that the Lord is always the protector and He is kindest towards all His real devotees.

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    Re: My son died in an accident why God is so cruel?
    « Reply #1 on: July 02, 2009, 09:57:11 AM »
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  • Dear Dattaswami ji, In todays world , looking at the practicality of things , do you think your quote "Actually all the family bonds should be cut for the sake of the bond with the Lord" is possible to put into practise ?. In which case a simple question ? why are we in this forum , are we not making relationships here ?

    Going by this statement -

    We should cut all ties with our parents who struggled for us, leave our wife and children on the street and become an ascetic !

    Om Sairam.
    « Last Edit: July 02, 2009, 09:59:40 AM by GaneshHariharan »

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    Re: My son died in an accident why God is so cruel?
    « Reply #2 on: July 02, 2009, 09:58:40 AM »
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  • Dear Dattaswami ji, In todays world , looking at the practicality of things , do you think your quote "Actually all the family bonds should be cut for the sake of the bond with the Lord" is possible to put into practise ?. In which case a simple question ? why are we in this forum , are we not making relationships here ?

    Om Sairam.

    Know Unreality of worldly bonds for peace
    Spiritual knowledge emphasizes the unreality of these worldly bonds. Your family members were not related to you in the previous births and will not be related to you in the future births. These family bonds are present only in this birth and therefore they are temporary. Anything that is temporary is always unreal (Yadanityam tat kritakam—Shankara, (Nasato—Gita). The dramatic bond, which is unreal before and after the drama, is also unreal during the drama. All human beings, whether they are your family members or outsiders, have the only relationship with you of being your co-actors.
    You cheat an outsider and rob his wealth for the sake of your family members. But both outsiders and your family members are equally related to you as only your co-actors. Why do you then cheat one co-actor and favour another co-actor and earn sin? Your family members will not share your sin. They have not asked you to steal the wealth of others in order to feed them. This was the answer given by the family members of Valmiki, who was a robber and would rob people to feed his family. One day he had tried to rob Sage Narada. Narada had told him to go to his family members and ask them if they would share the sin that he had earned in order to feed them. [Their flat refusal shocked and changed Valmiki forever.]
    Lord Krishna started the Gita with the analysis of the self. All the family members are related to this gross body alone in which the blood flows. The self, He referred to in the second chapter of the Gita relates to the causal body along with its subtle body. When you fix the word ‘I’ to the causal body along with the subtle body, all the relationships with the gross body vanish. The Lord compared the gross body to an external garment. This again reveals the unreality of the dramatic bonds that exist with these family members.
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    Re: My son died in an accident why God is so cruel?
    « Reply #3 on: July 02, 2009, 10:00:42 AM »
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  • Let me ask you with utmost respect sir, do you have a family and any relatives ?

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    Re: My son died in an accident why God is so cruel?
    « Reply #4 on: July 02, 2009, 10:05:55 AM »
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  • Let me ask you with utmost respect sir, do you have a family and any relatives ?

    If our family members are devotees then you should serve them also. I will give an example in which a devotee asked me to dilute this rule which is loving family equally with God also. If you analyse this you will understand the truth. Also you must understand that God is not a politician and He will never force anybody to hate his dear and near ones to love Him alone. The love should come spontaneously to God, not by force. These knowledge presented here is very harsh since it is the truth and it is only applicable for only sincere devotees who wish to love Lord alone, not for all people.

    A devotee asked me;
    ! I have one question, why not we do duties to our children?
    At the same time we shall have all our devotion to the Lord only.

    I gave the following answer to the above question.

    Your suggestion is quite sounding very well to the ears,
    But you will find the reality only when you analyse the concept.
    One thing we should remember, we should not bring down the sky
    To our level since we are standing on the ground and since
    We are unable to fly to the height of the sky, let us agree the truth.

    It is true that the sky is the goal and it is true that we are on the ground.
    This will make us to start our journey, one day or the other you will reach sky.
    You have to be in the constant effort, God will give you many human rebirths
    Till you reach the goal, but one condition, you should not stop at any stage.
    When you are doing the duty it is love expressed in action, it is proven love.

    It is far greater than the love through words and through mind and therefore
    Your love is ninety nine percent on your children and one percent on Lord.
    The Lord is not at all equal even to your children and just you have thrown
    One paisa [one cent] on the face of the Lord treating Him as a beggar for your love.
    At the same time you are posing that all your love is on the Lord.

    It is just the reverse in practice and everything is only the mind and words.
    The proven love consists of sacrifice of five items to the Lord.
    The first three items are by the ex-pression of love through words, mind, and brain.
    Through words people sing devotional songs and the emotional devotion flows
    Through the mind, through the brain scholars discuss the nature of the Lord.

    These three constitute the theoretical phase, which has a value of one paisa [one cent] only.
    It is just like sacrificing drinking water supplied by the municipality freely.
    Similarly these three are already supplied to you by the Lord freely without any
    Effort or strain by you, Indians are very famous in sacrificing these three items.

    The fantastic fun is that people sacrifice these three items to the Lord and
    Ask some practical fruit for the sacrifice of these three theoretical items!
    The other two items are practical and their value is ninety-nine paise[99 cent].
    Those two items are sacrifice of work and sacrifice of fruit of work
    In this sacrifice of these two items only lies the entire real sacrifice.
    This alone is the proven love, don’t argue that this is impossible for you.
    You are doing the sacrifice of these two items sincerely to your children.
    Therefore you are having real proven love on your children only.

    The sacrifice of the first three items is not done in the case of your children.
    That means the sacrifice of these first three items is false dramatic love.
    The word duty which you just uttered constitutes the last two items only,
    Which are the sacrifice of work and sacrifice of fruit of work.

    Therefore what is the meaning of your statement that resulted finally?
    You will sacrifice the false love to the Lord and the real love to your children.
    You designate the false love as the real whole love which is dedication of mind.
    Now you say that you have dedicated all your mind to the Lord only!
    Fantastic! And you say that you are simply doing duty to your children!

    Which is nothing but the real love! How clever you are! You can fool
    Any human being in this world but not the Lord who is omniscient.
    Oh Gayathri! Let us stick to the truth only atleast before the Lord.
    Let us accept frankly our inability to sacrifice all the five items.

    Let us pray the Lord to help us in reaching the sky and let us accept
    That we are on the ground only, no need of any false prestige before the Lord.
    The Lord is always pleased when we accept and speak the truth before Him
    The first three items constitute the drinking water supplied to you freely.
    Do not ask any practical fruit for the sacrifice of those three items.

    Even in a commercial hotel, they do not charge for the supply of water.
    The other two items constitute the actual plate of meals, which represent
    The real sacrifice, since these two items are from your hard work only.
    For the sacrifice of these two items you can ask for the practical fruit.
    But remember that the Lord will pay the exact fare of your plate of meals.

    Here also don’t be over ambitious, you supply a plate of meals and ask
    For one lakh of rupees[one billion $]! Ask for the equivalent justified normal rate.
    It shall be paid to you if you ask the justified rate for your meals.
    If you ask too much, the Lord will look at you with a hatred look
    And will pay you the exact fare only, don’t have poor impression
    In His heart, next time even if you offer the plate of meals, He will refuse.

    You have lost the chance of minimum business also with the Lord.
    Remember one thing that when you provide plate of meals to the Lord,
    You have to supply drinking water also, though it does not cost anything.
    When the eater requires some water during eating food, will you say
    “What is there in the water which has no value? Eat this sweet.”
    Similarly some people do the sacrifice of work and fruit of work sincerely.
    They feel that they have purchased the Lord by their sacrifice.
    They never love, they never sing devotional songs, and they never discuss
    The divine nature of the Lord, because they neglect the valueless water.
    I told you not to give simply water to the guest and avoid the meals.

    In this context only I criticised the donation of water, don’t extend this
    When you offer the plate of the meals to the guest and simply give him food
    Without the drinking water, that will be utter foolishness of you.
    Feeding the guest is complete only when the meals are given with water.

    After all, ninety-nine paise[99 cent] cannot constitute the full one rupee[1 $]
    In fact, I pity such people because they donate ninety-nine paise
    But become lazy to donate that one paisa from their pocket.
    The one paisa left over in the pocket cannot be used at all for any purchase.
    Gita said that one has to reach and please the Lord by crossing the duties.

    “Sarva dharman parityajya”, here the word dharma means the duty.
    The duty constitutes the real love, if what you said is acceptable and correct
    Shankara could have stayed with his mother doing his duty by serving her
    And he could have said that all his real love is only the Lord and that
    He is doing just his duty as her son; Love is the basis of the duty,
    Where the duty lies, there only the real love lies, it is the real proof.

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    Re: My son died in an accident why God is so cruel?
    « Reply #5 on: July 02, 2009, 10:08:31 AM »
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  • I understand and respect your knowledge sir , but again with utmost respect , do you have a family, next of kin, relatives ?

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    « Reply #6 on: July 02, 2009, 10:10:53 AM »
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  • I understand and respect your knowledge sir , but again with utmost respect , do you have a family, next of kin, relatives ?

    Practicing the unreality show

    Yes i have family.

    The Lord in human form enjoyed all the insults and tragic scenes also with full bliss indicated by the sweet smile on His lips. When Sisupala abused Him, He was smiling only, which indicates His bliss. At the end, He was spectator of all His relatives including sons and grandsons killing each other and then also He was with the same smile. Infact, He killed some of His people, who remained alive! Thus what He preached, He practiced. He preached Arjuna to kill his people in the war.

     Jesus preached that one should leave parents, wife or husband, children and even life to become close to Him. He practiced it. He did not give importance to His mother and left His life also for the sake of God. This is the proof of the awareness of the unreality of the dramatic bonds in this world drama. Since the bond is strictly a feeling (quality of awareness), it can be realized as unreal even by the realized soul. For the liberated soul even the higher levels of Maya like matter and awareness can be realized as unreal. For the human incarnation, even the highest level or Mula Maya (energy) is unreal.

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    Re: My son died in an accident why God is so cruel?
    « Reply #7 on: July 05, 2009, 11:26:29 AM »
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  • Point taken sir, But then how do you explain the following -

    1. Lord Shiva , Lord Balaji ,Lord Rama all had wives . Does this not conflict with the statement that "god wants us to leave all human bonds" ?

    2. You say you have a family . Do you have absolutely no contact with them and have renounced them as relatives ?

    Om Sairam.

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    Re: My son died in an accident why God is so cruel?
    « Reply #8 on: July 05, 2009, 08:23:09 PM »
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  • Point taken sir, But then how do you explain the following -

    1. Lord Shiva , Lord Balaji ,Lord Rama all had wives . Does this not conflict with the statement that "god wants us to leave all human bonds" ?

    2. You say you have a family . Do you have absolutely no contact with them and have renounced them as relatives ?

    Om Sairam.

    Shiva, Rama are human incarnations they are God. GOD is not bound by any relations. Also their wife are great devotees. God love them as devotee, not as wife.

    Ordinary human beings are bound by blood relations. But if those relations are really devotees one need not abandon them.
    What I am teaching is what I have taken from bible.

    Jesus has told in

    Luke—14:26 to 27

    “If any one comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple’’.

    The statement is given by Jesus. Let us examine Jesus in view of this statement. How He behaved towards His mother? Was He harsh to His mother? He told some devotee to take care of His mother. He was not hating His mother. He was  not giving more importance to the mother also. His mother also was a devotee. So He loved His mother as a devotee. He is given importance to mother as a devotee. Not more than that. Why He has told the word hatred, that also I explained. It is not to be taken in its physical sense. Because Jesus never encouraged hatred to anybody. He always preached love to everybody. Hate the sin not the sinner. His love towards His mother was as a devotee to God. Not as a mother He loved, but as a devotee to God.
    If you start hating atleast you will become neutral. The aim is to get 100 marks you get 40 marks only. Like wise if the aim is hatred then atleast you will become neutral. If the aim is to become neutral definetly, you will not become neutral. In this sense, the word hatred was used. It is a relative word. It is not an absolute word.

    Unless you try for 100 marks you will not even get 40 marks. Unelss you try for hatred you will not become neutral.


     


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