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Offline abhinav

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A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT SACHARIT
« on: August 05, 2007, 08:34:54 AM »
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  • SAI BANDHUS,

    I AHVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SACHARIT-

    CHAPTER -22 OF SACHARIT


    iss chapter me saap se related 3 stories hai.

    1)ameer shakkar

    iss story me baba ki presence me saap ko maar diya jaata hai.

    2) bala saheb

    iss story me bhi bala saheb ki raksha ke liye saap ko maar diya jata hai.

    3) muktaraam and hemadpant ke sanvaad -

    jab ye vivaad bad jata hai ki saap ko marna uchit hai ya nahi to dono baba se prashan karte hai ki kya saap ko marna uchit hai ya anuchit ?

    baba kehte hai ki saap ko marna uchit nahi hai.


    but mai yaha thoda sa confuse ho raha hun ki ek taraf to baba ye kehte hai ki saap ko marna uchit nahi hai aur dusri taraf ameer shakar wali story me baba ki presence me hi saap ko maar dala gaya.

    i am sorry agar aap mai se kisi ki bhi feelings hurt hui ho to. but mere dil me ek question tha jo mai aap sabse share karke uska answer chahta tha.

    om sai ram.
    मी पापी-पतित धीमंद । 
    तारणें मला गुरुनाथा, झडकरी ।।
    मुझसा कोई पापी तेरे दर पे ना आया होगा।
    और जो आया होगा, खाली लौटाया ना होगा॥
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    Re: A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT SACHARIT
    « Reply #1 on: August 05, 2007, 09:47:04 AM »
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  • om sai ram abhinav ji

    baba ne yeh bhi kaha tha k humein jannboojh kar kisi ka bura nhi karna chahiye...........
    allah ki marzi k bina koi kisi ka bura nhi kar sata
    we should mean well and do well

    har creature mein ek soul hoti hai tht gets its future dierection as per th previous karma......only baba knws th krma nd th results are as per tht.

    th previous two snakes met their fate good or bad god knws.they were freed of their one birth nd forwarded to nothr or cud b even libertd in baba's presence.........snake k janam mein jo unhone bhogna tha tht ws over n as per god's plan of action thy met thr fate.

    however in th thrd case snake ki yoni mein uske karmo ka phal baaki tha shayad tabhi it escaped.
    anothr thing is jo baba ki sharan mein aata hai he cnnot b harmed ne way.....
    as u will read in furthr chpter whr mention bout a snake nd toad are given.

    om sai ram
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    MANN MEIN HAI VISHWAS TO BANDE, BHAKTI MEIN HAI SHAKTI

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    Re: A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT SACHARIT
    « Reply #2 on: August 06, 2007, 12:39:54 AM »
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    Dear SAI FAMILY MEMEBERS,

    KRUPAYA KOYE YAHAN SE ABHINAV BHAI KA PRASHNONKO ANGAREZEE MEIN TRANSLATE KARENGE! pls...

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    keerthi

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    Re: A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT SACHARIT
    « Reply #3 on: August 06, 2007, 01:56:15 AM »
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  • Om Sai Ram!

    Keerthi Di,

    Abhinav has a confusion regarding two incidents in SSC.

    This is with ref. to chapter no. 22 which has three stories related to Snake.

    In I story of "Ameershakar"
    the snake is killed in presence of Sai Baba.

    In the II story of " Balasaheb"
    Again a  snake is killed for the sake of safety of Balasaheb.

    Then in this chapter there is a conversation between  muktaraam and hemadpant -They are confused wherther killing a snake is right or not. Then Baba tells them that it is not right to kill it.

    Now Abhinav is confused that on one hand snakes were killed in the presence of Baba & on the other hand when asked ...Baba said that it is not right to kill it.

    Then Why Baba let them killed, if he says it is not right.

    Plz guide!

    - Kshama
    ॐ शिरडी वासाय विद्माहे सच्चिदानंदाय .
    धीमहि तन्नो साई प्रचोदयात . 

    Baba !  "Let my faith be strong & patience be unshaken"

    -kshama

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    Re: A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT SACHARIT
    « Reply #4 on: August 07, 2007, 06:02:44 AM »
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  • OM SHRI SAI NATHAYA NAMAH.............................

    Good Doubt.

    Anything done with anger and fear is not good.Anger and Fear are not Godly Qualities.These are evil qualities.So we human being should always avoid these qualities.

    Because of Fear and Anger we kill the snake.Snake attacks any one because of fear and anger.So the root cause of killing the snake and snake attacking us is fear and anger.

    Can we kill snake with love and compassion.We will never kill this way.Always because of fear and anger we kill any snake.Nor snake will attack us with love and compassion.

    If we kill attacking snake then it is justified.Because in this way we kill his negative quality of fear and anger,which in other way could have harmed us.So Baba justified killing snake.

    Baba knew that people mostly kill snake because of fear and anger.Very few snake attack people but still they are killed because they are snake.Even the non poisonous and non attacking snake are killed because of people's fear and anger.So Baba asked people not to kill snake.

    Every creature wants to die peaceful death.What could be state of any creature killed because of fear and anger.The death could be gross and painful.

    So be compassionate and fearful.Avoid getting angry.See and feel Baba in every creature.Love every creature.

    Become a Big tree of Love and Compassion like Baba,under which all creature will find peace and their negative qualities will go away.Even the fearful and angry snake will become earthworm under its love and compassion.

    OM SHRI SAI NATHAYA NAMAH.............................


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    Re: A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT SACHARIT
    « Reply #5 on: August 07, 2007, 06:19:09 AM »
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  • thank you "kshama ji " thank you postig ji.

    but i am sorry. i am still with my doubt.........................


    plz refer to another story of sacharit-

    "Story of Veerbhadrappa and Chenbassappa (Snake and frog)" (chapter 47)

    here baba told the stranger that baba is the father of frog hence the snake can not harm the frog in" his presence".

    i beleive that baba is the father of evry creature ( be it a frog, a snake or a humna).
    then why those snakes were killed in baba's presence?

    why did baba not save the life of snake in those two stories.

    i am again asking for the sorry to all the dear devotees as i dont want to hurt anybody. this is the question that most of the time disturbs me.
    om sai ram.
    मी पापी-पतित धीमंद । 
    तारणें मला गुरुनाथा, झडकरी ।।
    मुझसा कोई पापी तेरे दर पे ना आया होगा।
    और जो आया होगा, खाली लौटाया ना होगा॥
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    Re: A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT SACHARIT
    « Reply #6 on: August 07, 2007, 06:41:20 AM »
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  • Om Shri Sai Nathaya Namah..................

    Every creature has definite time of death.Whatever mean (accident,murder or natural cause) that creature dies it is the perfect time for death irrespective of whatever mean it dies.So no reason for death and death is death.No one dies before time or after time.Time is perfect for its death and whatever mean it be.

    Death time and mean is fixed by God.Which any one cannot change.It is Fixed.

    Chapter 22 message is different is from Chapter 47 message.So please don't get confuse with it.

    Om Shri Sai Nathaya Namah..................

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    Re: A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT SACHARIT
    « Reply #7 on: August 08, 2007, 05:43:35 AM »
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  • "i beleive that baba is the father of evry creature ( be it a frog, a snake or a humna) then why those snakes were killed in baba's presence?"


    Baba is everywhere. His presence is not limited to his Physical life or to his Samadhi in Shirdi. Every man or animal killed in this universe is killed only in Baba's presence. Every Birth takes place only in Baba’'s presence.

    "why did baba not save the life of snake in those two stories."

    SSC - Veerbhadrappa got wild and angry and threatened to kill Chenbassappa cutting him to pieces. The latter was timid, he caught my feet and sought my refuge. I pledged Myself to save him from the wrath of his foe. Then after some time Veerbhadrappa died and was born as a snake and Chenbassappa died and was born as a frog.

    If you read that story carefully again you will know that the person invoked Baba's help during crisis and Baba kept up his promise. Baba doesn't interfere with anyones Karma by himself but if you call him to bail you out he would do it even one is a sinner and is born as frog. The point to keep in mind is Baba's Mercy is available anytime to anyone and we should keep his image in mind and his name in our tounge.

     
    « Last Edit: August 08, 2007, 05:58:50 AM by saidasan »
    Past and Future exist in the Mind. Present is the Only Reality. Mind loves habitual waiting to deny the present. Meditation helps one merge with Nature. One no longer feels Separate from the Whole. It is easy to live with the whole than against it.
    Regular Meditation suppresses unwanted thoughts and strengthens the Mind. A less noisy mind is so near to God.

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    Re: A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT SACHARIT
    « Reply #8 on: August 11, 2007, 06:37:07 PM »
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  • Om Jai Sri Sai Ram..

    Thanks Abhinav ji,

    For opening such an important topic for discussion.
    Thanks everyone who posted the replies. I learnt so much from you all

    May Baba bless everyone

    I have found gems in this mandir.

    God bless everyone
    Gaurav

     


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