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Offline ssreeranjan

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Sri Rama- The Controversial Personality
« on: May 03, 2008, 01:24:56 AM »
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  • Decisions of Sri Ram& and his character- arising a lot of controversies are narrated below.

     SRI RAM-The symbol of manhood- if we analyse Ramayan, there are incidents which shows Rama's controversial decisions & character.

    1. Sambuk- A shudra who was doing tapasya was killed by Sri Ram. Reason being shudras were not allowed to do tapasya.
    Same Sri Ram when he met Sabari had told her that irrespective of caste, position, gender etc, anybody can worship God. If cast and gender were not factors, then why Sri Ram had killed Sambuk who is a shudra for praying  the God ?.
    2. Bali was killed by Sri Ram in order to save Ruma (Sugreev's wife) from his captivity. Killing of Bali was a cowardly act done by Sri Ram because Bali was unarmed. Also there was no rivalry between Sri Ram & Bali.
    Sri Ram want Sugreev & Ruma should lead a family life. So Rama was giving importance to family life.
     
    3. When Ahalya was given moksha, Rama had advised her to lead a family life. Here also Rama was giving importance to family life.

    4. Rama accepted Seetha after performing agnipareeksha and appreciated her in everybody's pressence. But the same Rama, after hearing the words of Bhadra, suspected her and dumped her into the forest. If it is defined as rajdharma, then was it not the duty of Rama to ask  her what had happend at Lanka? It is a part of Rajadharma to examine a person who committed a mistake -to findout the truth. Without even asking Seetha and not even trying to find out the truth, he had simply sent her to the forest.
    If Rama would have asked seetha's opinion, defenitely she would have told him that she would follow his decision, whatever may it be. (Because Seetha was such a modest and deciplined wife).
    He had given importance to Ruma and Ahalya's family life and in the case of Seetha, he had distroyed the same.
    There is no wonder modern Ramas divorce and re-marry.
    5.After killing Ravana,  Rama did not go himself to meet Seetha. Instead, he sent Hanuman. Also he did not ask Hanuman to bring her. He sent a message to inform Sita that Rama was hale and hearty. It was Seetha who told Hanuman her desire to see Rama. What did Rama say when he met Seetha?
    According to Valmiki-
    Rama told Seetha that I have got you as a prize in a war after conquering my enemy, your captor. I have recovered my honour and punished my enemy. People have witnessed my military powers and I am glad my labours have been rewarded. I came here to kill Ravana and wash off the dishonour. I did not take this trouble for your sake. Could there be anything more cruel than this conduct of Rama towards Seetha?
    Again Rama continued- I suspect your conduct. You must have been spoiled by Ravana. Oh!daughter of Janaka- I allow you to go anywhere you like. I have nothing to do with you. I conquered you back and I am content for that was my object. I cannot think that Ravana would have failed to enjoy a women as beautiful as you are[Just think how much Seetha must have got hurt in these words of Rama}
    6.If we analyse further, Valmiki records that Rama's daily life  after he became King as follows.
    Accordingly the day was divided into two parts-up to forenoon & afternoon.
    From morning to forenoon he was engaged in religious rites. The afternoons he spent in the company of court jesters and in zenana. When got tired of jesters, he went back to zenana. Valmiki also mentiones how Rama spent his life in zenana.He used to drank liquor(soma ras) in large quantity and he saw to it that Seetha joined with him in his drinking bouts as a silent spectator. He used to sat in the middle Apsaras, Uraga, Kinnari
    -all beautiful ladies drinking and dancing.Valmiki calls Rama as “Prince among women’s men”.


     

    Offline Pearl India

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    Re: Sri Rama- The Controversial Personality
    « Reply #1 on: May 03, 2008, 10:17:26 AM »
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  • om sai ma

    sai ram ji

    ssreeranjan ji

    firstly i wud like to put forth my apologies so that i may not hurt anybody's sentiments in replying to any of these queries ...... i do so as inspired by my baba....plz dont let my ego in btween baba.and sorry for this post may be long.

    plz take into consideration another a few other things:

    1.shri sai is same as lord rama
    2.we worship the chaitra of lord rama which is portrayed by diffrent authers differently......
     i have read his charitra as potrayed by goswami tulsidas ji and not the one by valmiki ji.....

    om sai ma


    He is the lord.knowing everything residing at all places.LORD RAMA took birth so as to end th vicious Ravana.as Ravana had the boon of being killed by a human being and monkeys.So LORD VISHNU came on this earth as LORD RAMA to kill ravana.HE was known as MARAYADA PURUSHOTTAM.As we all know RAM JI didnt perform "miracles" as such in his life as HE had to live his life within human limits.HE  followed dharma to the level of perfection so as to set an example for the rest of us.


    1.although there is no prominent character as Sambuk in shri ramcharitmanas......but just as we learn from ssc....we get rewards as per our karma.......and being killed by the LORD himself Sumbuk wud be lucky enuf to get HIS  abode.

    2.Bali was also booned that as soon as his enemy wud come in front of him his strength will be reduced to half.Bali misunderstood SUgreev , that the later wanted to establish his hold on Bali's kingdom and hence he threw him out of kishkindha and was after sugreev's life.Bali was wrong at this and had to be punished.Sugreev sought refuge in lord rama.and the lord had promised to help him.as the strenght of enemy wud be reduced to half so lord Rama had to hide and kill him.but finaly he too was delivered.

    3.Before Ravana had captured mata Sita.the lord being omnisent,had told mata Sita bout all that was to happen and hence only her reflected image was sent to Lanka with Ravana and she was safe with the Agni deva .this was known only to three of them lord Rama, mata Sita and Agni deva.not even to Lakshmana.and hence after the lord had defeated ravana........the agneepareeksha was done only to get the original form of mata sita from the agni deva.

    4.as they won the battle over ravna,lord rama asked lakshman ji to do vibhishan's rajya abhishek and asked hanuman to give the news of their victory to mata sita as he was held by the vachans of his father that he will take up vanawas upto 14 years and hence he cud not enter any town as lanka.

    5.and as we know there are four ashrams in a man's life.and lord himself had taken up the grahast aashram....and unless one accepts sanyaas,he lives a normal life.......its just as lord wills....as different tasks are assigned to each of us.there's no harm in family life that way.

    6.even i used to dislike the fact that how cud lord knowing everything....he being omniscent...leave mata sita just because a dhobi said something.......there is nothig mentioned in ramcharitmans about this......but what i understood was that he was a king and a husband.......he being the follower of dharma,maryada purushottam......chose to follow the dharma of a king first.

    the lord dwells all creatures .he cannot discriminate amonst any of them.

    i hope m able to explain my view....
    its just that different authurs put it differenltly ,like i found ramavijya different from shri ram charitmanas and more so thrs another fact i am unable to put in words...but will try......

    its like there are different kalps containing satyug , treta yug ,draupar yug and kalyug each.so as thr have been many kalps, may be all stories are correct.and then who is able to know god or measure his leelas...they are far beyond human intelect......


    om sai ma


    EK HAI IS DUNIYA KA DAATA,JAANE SABKE MANN KI
    MANN MEIN HAI VISHWAS TO BANDE, BHAKTI MEIN HAI SHAKTI

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    Re: Sri Rama- The Controversial Personality
    « Reply #2 on: May 04, 2008, 07:31:48 AM »
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  • Let me appreciate you for the reply.You have got your pwn views and I have my own and we expressed the same. There is no question of one hurting the other.
    After going thru' ur reply, I would like to clarify something more.

    1. There are around 75 Ramayans written by various authors as on date and the one written by Valmiki is the first one. All other authors have narrated the story based on their ideas and frm one to other there are changes also. For example if you refer Tibetan Ramayana(Budha Ramayana), Seetha is described as Rama's sister.So in Tulsidas Ramayan, he might have not given importance to Sambuk and his death.But Sambuk was killed by Sriram fir the reason that being a shudra he was doing tapasya(praying God). This was a mistake done by Sriram.
    2a) Of course, Sriram is being treated as Maryada Purshottam-Moreover he was a king,who is supposed to know the rules. As per rule, in fighting, one is not supposed to kill the other if the other is unarmed. Knowing the rule verywell, Sriram has violated it. If the king himself is violating rule how one can treat him as Maryada Purshottam?
    2b)Also Bali had told Sriram that, Oh Lord- You should have told me what you want and I would have brought the same for you.I would have surrendered my life for you. For no reason you killed me.Such a devoted person was Bali and he was brutally killed by Rama. Just think what a big crime was it? How can we treat Rama as Maryada Purshottam who had thrown away all maryadas of yudh(war) in air?
    3)Another foolish decision Rama had taken is sending Seetha to forest for no mistake of her. As per the rule, a king is supposed to ask the person who committed mistake what he had done? Sri Ram had not even given a chance to Seetha her mental feelings.. This wasalso against the rule of the land.
    4)I also know that GOD is omnipresent. He is present in you, He is present in me, amd in all living beings. It is our mind which directs us to the God. You believe that SAI BABA is Sri Ram, I believe that Sai Baba is Lord Shiva like that we imagine GOD in various forms. I am not separating Sri Ram and Sai Baba.
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    S.Sree Ranjanan
     

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    Re: Sri Rama- The Controversial Personality
    « Reply #3 on: May 04, 2008, 09:29:31 AM »
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  • I agree that everyone has one's own views and I respect them. The sole purpose of this forum is to surrender ourselves to our lord, show our unconditional love through prayers and continue our faith upon our malik. This can be achieved only when we drop our ego. We are not here to judge lord. Yes, some do believe that baba is lord rama as, shri rama navami is the most auspicious day for all of us. Baba himself described shama ji, the way he constructed the ram sethu bridge and when shama ji went on talking to him about ramayan, baba asked him to stop questioning and there ended the episode. We are nothing in front of the lord to discuss about his deeds and decide whether he is wrong or correct in doing so and so.

    In this world we see so much injustice happening to women, we question them and say that god is so heartless but god has his own answers and ways. He doesn't need to answer us and he answers the correct person when time comes. There are many people who strongly believe shri rama, so lets not hurt someone's sentiments. I can show so many posts and live experiences against satya sai baba but that is not my purpose. I am not here to discuss or hurt someone's faith. Why do we need to discuss, show proofs, argue point wise? Do we really deserve to talk about our master and point finger at him? Our mind will become restless once we start discussing and arguing and it is 100 percent true that there won't be any conclusion. It is not what we know which is important, all it matters in the end is how we take it. Baba bless everyone and this forum. om sai ram.

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    Re: Sri Rama- The Controversial Personality
    « Reply #4 on: May 04, 2008, 09:46:13 AM »
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  • Thank you for your valuable advise.
    But facts are facts which nobody can contradict.
    I am here not to hurt anybody's sentiments.
    But I believe that an open forum is made to discuss,
    whatever may the subject  be.....
    Otherwise the forum should have been stipulated& regulated.
    If I am  wrong, please correct me.
    Also I have mentioned  in my earlier reply that I am expressing my views.
    I feel grateful in convincing those who disagree with my views.
    Afterall LORD IS LORD and I know very well that I am no where in HIS front and then come questioning HIM.
    Equally mistake is mistake. We elders if commit mistakes, the same will be repeated by children.
    Likewise, mistakes committed by GOD is mistake and if our generation commits the same, it will be a blunder.
    Our modern world is repeating the same and in order to avoid these situations to a certain extent I have written the same.
    The attrocities on ladies( I am not a feminist)..... that is the main problem now the society is faceing and I want to emphazise that the same has been started from Lord Rama's age.
    Once again apologizing to all if I hurt and welcome to those who took it positively.
    with regards.
    s.sree ranjanan
     

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    Re: Sri Rama- The Controversial Personality
    « Reply #5 on: May 04, 2008, 10:16:33 AM »
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  • Dear sreeranjan,

    They say rules are rules for everyone, that obviously applies to humans. God has his own rules and we might not even be aware of them. If god does something, it's always correct. That is why he is god. Mistake can not be there where god is. You might know this as well.

    Each and everything done by god has it's meaning and reason. and as I have already said, he doesn't need to answer us. Baba bless.

    om sai ram.

     


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