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Main Section => Sai Baba Spiritual Discussion Room => Topic started by: mainhoonsaibeti on May 01, 2007, 11:25:13 PM
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Om Sai Ram
In Saicharitra many times the chit method is used to come to a conclusion
How many of you do it in real life and follow it religiously.
What is the correct method of using it and what if the answer is NO and still your mind says you must do it? or vice versa.
Will appreciate if any saibhakt will be able to reply to me.
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Om Shri Sai Nathaya Namah.............................
Make you mind stable by doing Chanting or Meditation.Also its very important that during chanting or mediatation we have to get detached to the question or answer or the problem or solution.When any such thing arise in the mind during meditation say Sainath Arpan Astu.Do It Untill and unless there is no resistance from the solution or problem doubts in mind or u r detached from solution or problem.Mind is Peaceful and Still Now.
Also u need to have full faith on the chits.U need to see Sai in the chits and as if Sai is answering in the form of chit.Surrender totally to chit without thinking of question and answer.Then pick the chit without any preconceived answer in the mind and as if u have no problem with total surrender to Baba.Just pick like u pick any other thing without being attach to it.
If you want a perfect answer then total surrender is necessary.Totally dependent on Sai.As if u are nothing.
If the answer is not as u wanted or mind wanted then don't try again to get the answer by again picking the chit.If u do then it shows ur lack of faith on Baba.If u already new the answer then why did u try the chit method.
If u did not get answer u wanted then ask Baba for explanation.He will definately reply.Have 100% faith. NO doubts.
Baba always has better plan for us which our ignorant mind cannot conceive.
Surrender totally mind and body at Baba's lotus feet.
Om Shri Sai Nathaya Namah.............................
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Om Sai Ram
Thank you so much you have really helped me clear my doubts and increase my faith.
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Om Shri Nathay Namah....................................
Sai is beyond Mind but inside our body more closer than our Breath.So making mind still is necessary.
If mind has become still during the meditation itself then u get flash answer in the mind.Then no need of chits.It is better to go for internal method then to go for external method like chits.
Mind works on the habitual pattern of thinking so we want a habitual answer.So that it satisfies the mind as well as ur ego.If the answer is not as per our ego or mind then it will resist.
Still mind,full faith and total surrender is the only formula for getting Sai as well as the answer.
Om Shri Nathay Namah....................................
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OM SRI SAI RAM
Dear All, Sai Ram
The Dharma, customs, traditions, practices, beliefs, manners exhibited, rules and regulations for leading a dharmic life, pooja styles, Mantras chanted ... everything varied from Yuga to Yuga, Kalpa to Kalpa - if one throws a little light on our Puranas.
But, in the age of Kali, the change is so rapid that, I am hardly aware of even my grany's practices. Reasons may be many and justifying too.
In such a age, SSC, gives us a universally acceptable and moreso practicable set of guidelines. There is absolutely no doubt in this.
In the SSC it self it is mentioned about the chits and it is Bhagavadgita for us.
When do we resort to chits ?
1. When we are confused between two options or more
2. When we want something but not sure whether that does good to us
3. When we want something but sure that it may land us in a loss
4. When we are forced to do something and we are not for it
5. When we want to escape on the pretext that Baba too is with us in our decision ( let us honestly accept this)
6. When we want Baba's support to proceed on a thing with full confidence
This way, several things can be enlisted.
The answer that is got from the chits does mainly one thing that is boosting your confidence and strengthening faith in Baba.
Make two chits (yes and no). As my brother Pravin ji has beautifully explained above, with full faith and determination to follow whatever Baba tells us, one chit be picked up (either blind folded or asking a small child to pick up or pick up keeping your eyes closed or whatever way you feel like) and just follow it. Since, it is done with total faith, the question of likes and dislikes of the answer will not arise and shall not arise.
Baba bless us all
Baba be with us all
Jai Sai Ram
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Om Sai Ram!
Dear Posting Ji,
Thanks for sharing such a wonderful thought. You not only answered the query perfectly but also guided us on how we can find the answer by controlling our thoughts. Your words just amazingly calmed me! Before reading your post , I was very disturbed . Thanks for the guidance.
May Baba bless you!
Om Sai Ram!
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Yes thanks a lot i too was distrubed since i wanted to do something and the chit said NO and i was thinking why NO and my mind was not at peace at all therefore i came here and put up the question.
Sai has all the threads of our life in his hands, today morning i was very upset with Sai and told him i will not come to the forum today but yet see how he brought me here not once but many times.
Though my mind is still at unrest that
why Sai said No and
why that what happened with me why it happened.
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Dear saibeti ji,
Dont worry, baba might be having a better plan for you. he will definetly tell you the reason for that 'no'. May baba always guide you. om sai ram.
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Om Sri Sai Ram..
Thanks, everyone for such beautiful replies...this is certainly enlightening
God bless everyone
Gaurav
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Om Sai Ram
Have a blessed Sai Day.
Postingji your words are so full of wisdom.
one more question is hovering in my mind that is many times in full faith we have done as the chit has said but that too then later has been proved wrong why does that happen?
If a devotee in full faith is asking his Lord for guidance and acts according to the reply by the Lord then if that is proved wrong then why is Lord giving wrong guidance or answer.
Can anyone give me a reasonable answer to this.
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Om Shri Sai Nathaya Namah.......................
When we ask from Sai,it already done.This is full faith and total surrender.
What do we call full faith?
Full Faith means we are nothing and Sai is everything.We are just Katputli or dolls in his hands but because of ego or mind we will never accept.When we accept this in mind than we have full faith and total surrender.
The person with full faith is every moment with Sai by body and mind.
We are not body nor mind.But we think we are mind and body.Until we stop thinking we are body and mind we will not have full faith.Mind and body are the only barrier for reaching Sai.When we start giving less important to body,mind and worldly things then we will Surely get Sai.
Sai is beyond Mind but inside our body(real Shirdi temple of Sai) more closer than our Breath.So making mind still or steady is necessary.
To meet Baba u don't have to go to unreal Shirdi temple but the real Shirdi temple inside u.
When u chant have a feeling that Sai is chanting from inside the temple(body) and listen to him with surrender heart and mind concentrating on each word of mantra.Then mind will become peaceful or steady and u will stop thinking urself as the body.
Full faith and total surrender comes with peaceful or steady or egoless or thoughtless mind.
Full faith will not come with wavering mind or chanchal mind.
So what u call is full faith is not full faith because u had full faith u could not have taken to chit method.U could solved this problem using internal method using direct connection with Sai who is nearer than our breath but we identify Sai only in idols or pictures or in Shirdi.He is so near yet so Far.
Whatever guidance u are getting is not from Sai but from ur mind.You are too dependent on Mind or ego then Sai.
Disturb mind never gives correct decision or guidance.
Sai never gives wrong guidance or answer sitting inside Dwarka Mai(our body) but it is the mind or ego that is giving wrong Guidance or answer.Stop identifying urself with mind.
You really need to do lot of mediatation or Japa to make ur mind steady.Prayers,mechanical SSC reading and doing useless rituals will not help you to know the practical truth.It will fulfill material dreams but not spiritual ones.
Read SSC but teaching of SSC should become pratical in our life.
Having disturb mind is not Good.Please get out of this habit.Please ask Sai peace of mind then for material things.
Om Shri Sai Nathaya Namah.......................
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Dear Saibeti JI,
I would like to share with one experience of mine by following the Chit method
After we came to Chennai we decided to buy a house in Chennai, and the prices were soaring very high in most of the Prime locations. And within our budjet we could find a house interior of Porur (its very far) and we thought of buying the house there, my husbands friend also was planning to buy there. But I was confused and was not 100% ok for buying the house, something was telling me not to go ahead. Then I discussed with my husband and told him that we will put two chits to BABA, one Chit saying Go ahead and the other chit Wait and I told my husband that we will have to abide to whatever Sai Says, he also agreed. I asked my son to take and it and it said Wait, we decided to wait. Meanwhile we were getting calls from my Husband’s friend and the builder to buy this house, but I told my husband a Sure NO. Then within few days, we found a house (not as far as PORUR). A very good house, at a very good rate and Iam sure if I taken up the house in Porur we would have faced lot of difficulties, in fact one bank even refused to give Loan to my husbands friend stating some problem with the site.
BABA really saved us from this. Thanks SAI.
And more than this when we went for the registration baba blessed us. In Chennai BABA Bandi comes, a person takes around baba’s photos in a Cycle, Till that date I have never seen that near my house. And exactly when I stepped out of my house for registration this Bandi came and it was a great blessing from him for us.
If wehave belief and faith in BABA, BABA will always do things only for our good.
Om Sai Om Sai Om Sai Om Sai Om Sai
Om Sai Om Sai Om Sai Om Sai Om Sai
Om Sai Om Sai Om Sai Om Sai Om Sai
Om Sai Om Sai Om Sai Om Sai Om Sai
Deepa Arull
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Om Sai Ram
Even though on wednesday when i asked sai a question in the chit he said NO to me in the chit my mind was not willing to accept the No though of course i did not do any action i kept quiet for sai had said so i but all the time i was thinking that why Sai does not want me to take action the whole day i spent thinking WHY WHY WHY and the next day was thursday and the same person whom i was upset at with at work himself told me 'what is the problem, you look distracted'' first i said no nothing but dont know what happened i blurted out what i wanted to say- and that person gave me the answer and i was soooo releived hearing his answer and was completely okay.
After that i was thinking Sai had told me NO but still i went ahead did i do wrong? Thinking later i thought my mind was always telling me Yes but i still went ahead with the chit method, and Sai was telling me in my mind Yes but not listening to my inner voice i took out the chit.
And see the coincidence since yesterday i have been thinking that Sai is sending me message through postingji and today i read that she says that listen to your mind why go for external methods.
Sai is in our inner soul/heart and mind and is guiding us we only have to listen and feel carefully.
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Dear Brothers and Sisters,
OM SAI RAM, THIS is a good post for many doubts to be cleared. As Kavita ji had explained we have so many queries so we resort to this method. We ( our family ) is following this practice for a very long time. Even if things are very simple and we are in confusion, we leave it to our HOLY FATHER to give us an answer.
An incident to narrate this: A very large group of friends with their families had gathered at a funtion, as a part of outing many of the group wanted to go out o restaurant for Dinner. (most of the families very SAI DEVOTEES) As it was not our own city, each one suggested one place, kids according to their choice, menaccording to their budget and so on. Lastly some children even started crying thinking that the outing itself be cancelled. Suddently my husband intervened and said we had anyway decided to go to the NEW SAIBABA TEMPLE, so I follow the practice of CHITS, hence please allow me to ask my father and he ensured that everyone will baide by whatever BABA's decision is. TWO CHITS one to go to RESTUARANT and the other one not to go to the restaurant was written and a small boy was asked to pick the CHIT o know BABA's Decision. To utter dissappointment of the ladies BABA's decision was not to go to the RESTAURANt.
Most of the Children started crying and ladies were dissappointed because they had to prepare the dinner. However everyone of us had agreed to abide by BABA's decision. So we left to NEW SAIBABA temple.
VERY EAGER TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AT THE TEMPLE: THE TEMPLE WAS INAGURATED 48 days back and as the 48th day ceremony a big grand feast was organised by the temple committee which we were not aware as we were outseiders to the city.
WHEN BABA HAD ARRANGED SUMPTOUS DINNER WAS PREPARED BY BABA how would he allow us to go the RESTAURANT. EVERY ONe was stunned by BABA's leela and all of us were really thrilled and enjoyed eating the dinner.
CHITS ALWAYS HAS ITS DECISION THROUGH BABA, this is only one incident, I can give you hundreds of incident.
BUT never try for a better answer, nor best of 2/3 only once, even if it is negative pls take because BABA knows that something better awaits you.
JAI SAIRAM
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Om Shri Sai Nathaya Namah............................
Today when I was meditating,I remembered Sister Deepa's Post.She picked up the chit with the help of her Son.
Children are real Children of God unlike us.Their mind is always peaceful and without any clutter.So picking chit with their help is like Baba picking the Chit himself.
Child is the father of Man.
Om Shri Sai Nathaya Namah............................
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OM SAI RAM
I have so many experiences by opting chit method. So many times i did and i got replied. I must say , If i ignored "No" and did the work it gave me great trouble. This increases my faith in this method and now i am strong follower of Baba's answer. Even " Sawal Apke , jawab Baba ke " also worked. I believe whenever we asked anything Baba replies to us via these method's.
I am a libran and librans are non-decisive. Now by baba permission i take my decision and i must say " Baba always replied ".
So i just want to say , don't play these methods as a game. Just meditate "OM SAI RAM" and he replied by his own way.
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adwita ji .
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING US SUCH A USEFUL INFORMATION . I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT .
THANK YOU
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:D Hi Posting!!!!!! ( do have some other name too??) ::) ::) ::)
I read ur messages.....its amazing!!! ::) ;D
Thanx for sharing such marvellous exeriences, i wud try this wonderful method, with full devotion and blind faith on My baba!!! :P :P :P :P
Jai sai ram
With love to all
and with love to baba
Shreya
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Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Keertisaiji Sairam
I am a bit confused with your line "BUT never try for a better answer, nor best of 2/3 only once, even if it is negative pls take because BABA knows that something better awaits you."
Please explain this.
Suresh
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OM SAI NATHA.
Suresh BHAI,
Nice to see you posting after a long gap, though you are online, probably you were asked by BABA to be interactive with the family. ANY WAY great to see you back. By the way you are to still post your exepriences about your SHIRDI TRIP.
Coming to the question:
A brief before i proceed to answer your question, We beleive very truly the CHIT METHOD, for anything and evrything we follow the chit method, from simple things and to life solving problems, the above one was a simple one which I had narrated but i have some many incidences where we had something in mind but BABA answered NO but still we thought doen't matter and did it without accepting the NO. ALAS how much troubles we faced, BUT even after disobeying BABA was our SAVIOUR, this in detail I have mentioned somewhereelse I shall try to link it for you here.
QUOTE : posted some time back
OM SAI RAM
Dear SAI FAMILY MEMBERS
Baba is always there besides his children showing the right path guiding us the best way to go and to act. It is for each one of us to realise and act accordingly. However we are human beings we tend to chose easy ways or rosy ones to be quick in action.
Even when we are wrong BABA corrects and takes us through just after a small play making us realise our mistake.
At this juncture an incident which happened quite some time back is in my mind and would like to share it with you. We have the habit of taking decisions following the CHIT METHOD, While we wanted to partner somebody for BUSINESS we followed the same, but to surprise the answer was negative ( NOT TO MAKE HIM A PARTNER WAS THE CHIT PICKED BY A CHILD AT THE HOLY FEET OF BABA ) not minding the instruction, as we are Human beings, we still continued with partnership, Begining was very bright things were really good, Slowly the partner started showing his true colour. only then we realised that BABA asked us not to PARTNER with him.
We became teriible nervous, how ask BABA to save us when we have done what he hs asked us not to do. However he is our father, after a few days we made up our mind that where else would a child go only to their parents, so we went and pleaded to BABA to help us out of this situation. By then the situation had gone to its peak and we were in termors.
The Partner is not a religious family, but some how being the begining of the year his wife wanted a nice TABLETOP calender to be placed at his office desk at home. We are ardent devotees of BABA and we have no other CALENDERS except BABA's Incidentally begin NEW YEAR we had purchased many calenders of BABA from SAI BABA local temple to distribute among friends and the last SAIBABA TABLE TOP CALENDER WENT TO OUR PARTNER's OFFICE DESK AT HOME UNKNOWINGLY. We have not given the partner the SAIBABA's Calender earlier, b'cos he is not a religios person. Through his wife he (OUR HOLY FATHER) went and sat on his TABLE ANd howquickly he changed his mind and relieved us from the problem in no time.
THAT WAS INDEED A MIRACLE WORDS ARE NOT THERE TO EXPRESS...., WE SHOULD FEEL SUCH MIRACLES.
IT was the first and the last time we disobeyed his instructions ( WHILE TAKING AN ANSWER THOUGH CHITS)
So we learnt many lessons from BABA's leelas, Like wise let BABA may everyone realise their mistakes (if any) and guide them.
Regards
keerthi
JAI SAI RAM
UNQUOTE :
HERE I MEAN to say is that NEVER try again ( for a particular question in mind) and again to get the answer which you have in mind For example you want to buy a house and you have asked baba YES or No, you want to buy but you are confused you want an YES from BABA but BABA says NO, then take the No, dont try to cast the chit again for a YES, the first time whatever you get whether you like it or not that is the answer, he will give you postive if it is for you or vice versa.
One more incident i shall here, We were planning to buy a CAR for the first time in life, as i told you we ask everthing to BABA and abide by his words. On a thursday we asked whether we could buy a car now : the answer was positive, then was the question which one to buy: You know there are so many varities rannging from SMALL to BIG in each brand, so many other fcators like Budget, Quality, Comfort and so on We infact wanted a SMALL CAR, we were comfused. AS usual we went before BABA we wrote all possible brands available ( BIG TO SMALL) was about NINE in no. first my husband casted the chits and I picked up You know BABA gave us A SCORPIO which we didn't expect. we were looking for a small one, but a SCORPIO baba we asked, probably we may be short of funds too. Still on the SAI SATTHYANARAYANA vrat again all the same NINE CHITS CAST and we asked PANDIT ji to take, it was the same SCORPIO, WOnders of wonders we wrote all the nine all over again went to temple cast it at BABA's feet and asked a small child to pick up one. GREAT THE SAME ANSWER "SCORPIO" some where something was arranged by BABA and we had a SCORPIO, the buying of the car and its miracle i shall narrate separately.
The ANSWER ONCE is the same ever IF IS NEGATIVE, then strictly you should make up your mind not to do it,
Regards
Keerthi
JAI SAI RAM
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Om Shri Sai Nathaya Namah...............
Sayings of Saibaba of Shirdi
No harm shall befall him who sets his foot on the soil of Shirdi.
He who cometh to My Samadhi, his sorrow and suffering shall cease.
Though I be no more in flesh and blood, I shall ever protect My devotees.
Trust in Me and your prayer shall be answered.
Know that My Spirit is immortal. Know this for yourself.
Show unto Me he who sought refuge and been turned away.
In whatever faith men worship Me, even so do I render to them.
Not in vain is My Promise that I shall ever lighten your burden.
Knock, and the door shall open. Ask and ye shall be granted.
To him who surrenders unto Me totally I shall be ever indebted.
Blessed is he who has become one with Me
Please have Faith on Eleven Sayings.Whenever u have a time or u r free please keep on repeating these Saying and then u will have whatever you want.This is from experience.This is a very powerful mantra and more you repeat it,u will never have problems and will have answers to all.
Chit Method is used by Doubtful and people with less faith.People who don't have faith on themselves.People who don't believe that Baba is sitting in their heart.People who don't believe in their divinty.
Just repeat Om Sai Nathaya Namah with full faith,devotion and total surrender,get a answer from Baba sitting inside ur Heart.
People write so much about total faith and surrender when its comes to application they are found little short of it.
Sainath, Please take away people's doubt ful/restless mind and then there will be total faith n surrender.
Om Shri Sai Nathaya Namah..................
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Posting ji
Thanks for your piece of advise,
QUOTE:
Chit Method is used by Doubtful and people with less faith.People who don't have faith on themselves.People who don't believe that Baba is sitting in their heart.People who don't believe in their divinty.
UNQOTE
The above lines are appicable only for people who are completely blessed by BABA or due to their previous birth postive KARMA, These are KALIYUG days when people have doubts whether BABA or for that matter that any God is helping them or not.
How will people have faith when things are not going the right perspective, they will only have doubts, There are some sisters who feel bad that they dont have children and balme BABA for that then those sisiters how will they have faith all by themselves.
Leave alone sisters who are CHILDLESS, people who are jobless when they cant think for themselves because of certain negative effects on them how can they believe their intuitions. they need a external agnecy to help them out.
Yours words are only true when they have reached a stage of less difficulties and more comforts, even then ignorance will sahke them and try to be negative, Can you tell me on a single person who do not visit the PHYSICian or hospital just believing BABA's faith. you can't, Because any body for that matter will rush to a mediacl shop or Doctor.
I disagree with you in this aspect to reach a level of BABA's devotee they require many happeneings in themselves before they are seasonsed.
Sorry if I am hurting anyone feelings by this post.
Regards
Keerthi
JAI SAI NATHA.
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Om Sai Nathaya Namah................
Dear Sister,
As u think so u are.
As u think so will Baba give u results.If u think good, Baba will give good.If u think bad,Baba will give u Bad.Baba will act per your thinking and He will not let you down.He will make sure that your thinking become reality afterall you are child of Baba.So therefore always think good and positive.This whole universe works on just one principle"Action and Reaction".So be careful with your thinking.
Line from Baba's Eleven Saying"Jaisa Bhav Raha Jis Jan Ka,Waisa Rup Hua Mere Man Ka".
People are suffering because of their thinking.Its all created by their own thinking.We are responsible for whatever state we are.Don't Blame God.Blame your own Thinking.
There is no past,future or Kaliyug,there is just "NOW".Whatever you are now its just because of your past and u will be in future because of "Now".
Keep watching your mind and thinking.
Baba has given human being just one thing to control that is Mind.Otherwise human being cannot control anything.So control your mind and have control of your life.
Baba,please teach all your children fundamentals of life so that they come out of ignorance.
Om Shri Sai Nathaya Namah.................
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OM SAI NATHA
Dear Posting ji
Still i dont agree with you.
If a sister does not have a child for a year she will say OK and wait with positive thoughts that BABA will give one day, if it is ten years even if she sits with faith on her and BABA will people around her agree, they will call her a fool and carry out next steps posiible. why are sisters in this MANDHIr itself crying out for motherhood, unable to wait. You have also not answered:Can you tell me on a single person who do not visit the PHYSICian or hospital just believing BABA's faith. you can't, Because any body for that matter will rush to a mediacl shop or Doctor.
Or tell me one example from you life where you will sit for years together without a job / or a life to live. So please dont try to justify things in your prospectives. You have a broad look in a layman's prospective and then give your suggestion.
Your perspective is true, but that only suites A DEVOTEE with a higher level of thinking, if we don't require all this THEN why does RAVI BHAI have a question/ answer session of BABA here. All will not reach the high level of thinking as you are. there are so many stages, to reach the highest stage then only we can realise the BABA within us
Thanks & rergards
Keerthi
JAI SAI NATHA
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Om Shri Sai Nathaya Namah................
Truth is Truth.
With or without any ones belief it will not change.
Accept or leave it.Baba will take care.
As we think so we are.
Ask and its Given.
Om Shri Sai Nathaya Namah................
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Om SAINATHA,
Ok Let us leave it to BABA and wait for his blessings.
Thnaks and regards
KEERTHI
JAI SAI NATHA.
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Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Dear all Sairam
This post is taking an interesting turn, especially between Keertisai ji and posting ji, 2 great sai bandhus.
I have small story to narrate.
Once a man wanted to cross the ocean and went to a saint. The saint took a leaf, wrote something on it and gave it to the man saying "Hold this in you hand, do not see the mantra, and walk on the ocean. Have faith". The man did accordingly. Surprisingly, he could walk on the waters. Midway, he was overtaken with curiosity and saw the leaf. He saw "Rama" written on the leaf. He thought "That's all ! Just Rama's name " and he drowned.
Dear friends, faith can definitely move mountains. But the question is how true our faith is ? Does not our ego and intelligence take over like the man's curiosity and is not our faith shaken. It is really difficult to shake of all the worldly intelligence we have gathered since we were kids. Just imagine the babies ! With little or no worldly knowledge, they place implicit faith in their parents. Over a period they become world wise.
We have to approach our Lord Sai with as empty vessels. Only then can we accept what he gives undiluted. Only when our faith is shaken or when it is rationalised, we face the predicaments as described by posting. There have been many devotees even in this century, who have got blessed by our Lord Sai since having placed blind faith in him. Such devotees put aside their knowledge and rationality and believed in our Lord. And they were blessed. IT CAN HAPPEN only if we can blindly and implicitly trust the Lord. But unlearning is the most difficult thing than learning. And we should unlearn if we expect help from our Lord.
Lets pray that we develop such faith.
Sairam
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Great Suresh Bhai
I have got BABA's answers through you. Yes in simple terms we need to have so many things happened in our life only then we beileive and understand BLIND FAITH.
Yes I am example, I got my child aborted in sixth month perganancy with blind faith till today we have not gone to the doctor, I told BABA you gave me the Child and you also know to take care of me.
Many sai devotees themselves told me look you are educated dont be blind fold on SAIBABA's devotion, things will be adverse go to GYNAEC immedaitely. Baba has never told you not to visit DOCTor, Still today i have never turned back. MY BABA IS THERE WITH ME, he will take care of me. That has to come from within that is why we interact to boost others.
But to build such a faith we must come accross so many steps/ stages. Overnight any one can't accept. Baba himself in his days has proved to the people around to make realise his acts and deeds and what are we,
These lines by Posting ji are diverting the ones whom you can call they are beginners laering about BABA, Chit Method is used by Doubtful and people with less faith.People who don't have faith on themselves.People who don't believe that Baba is sitting in their heart.People who don't believe in their divinty.
Anyway I hope I have also clered you my doubt I suppose.
regards
KEERTHI
JAI SAI NATHA
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Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Keertisai ji Sairam
I am thankful for your views.
Regarding postings lines "These lines by Posting ji are diverting the ones whom you can call they are beginners laering about BABA, Chit Method is used by Doubtful and people with less faith.People who don't have faith on themselves.People who don't believe that Baba is sitting in their heart.People who don't believe in their divinty."
Somehow, I found my answer in these lines. Since I was wondering, whether I am doing the right thing by asking baba such questions. If my faith is true, will he not guide me. This was a doubt troubling me for long. And posting's lines really answered me. Also, if you remember the SSC excerpt below:
Baba allowed His devotees to serve Him in their own way, and did not like any other persons interfering in this. To quote an instance, the same Mavsibai was on another occasion, kneading Baba's abdomen. Seeing the fury and force used by her, all the other devotees felt nervous and anxious. They said, "Oh mother, be more considerate and moderate, otherwise you will break Baba's arteries and nerves". At this Baba got up at once from His seat, dashed His satka on the ground. He got enraged and His eyes became red like a live charcoal. None dared to stand before or face Baba. Then He took hold of one end of the Satka with both hands and pressed it in the hollow of his abdomen. The other end He fixed to the post and began to press His abdomen against it. The satka which was about two or three feet in length seemed all to go into the abdomen and the people feared that the abdomen would be ruptured in a short time. The post was fixed and immovable and Baba began to go closer and closer to it and clasped the post firmly. Every moment the rupture was expected, and they were all dismayed, did not know what to do, and stood dumb with wonder and fear. Baba suffered this ordeal for the sake of His Bhakta. The other devotees wanted only to give a hint to the Mavsibai to be moderate in her service and not cause any trouble or pain to Baba. This they did with good intention, but Baba did not brook even this. They were surprised to see that their well-intentioned effort had resulted in this catastrophe; and they could do nothing but to wait and see. Fortunately, Baba's rage soon cooled down. He left the satka and resumed His seat. From this time onward, the devotees took the lesson that they should not meddle with anybody but allow him to serve Baba as the chooses, as He was capable to gauge the merits and worth of the service rendered unto Him.
So, our Lord has his own way of communicating with each of his devotees. It has been said, a single line spoken by him answered different type of questions in different devotees minds. He is the ultimate Perfect Master. Therefore, it could be chits, or a question in our own mind with an answer from some outside source or even from within, there is no particular guideline to having faith in him. Each can embrace our Lord in his own way and get happy.
Lets all pray that our Lord helps us get the two pice - Sradha and Saburi
Suresh
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It has been said, a single line spoken by him answered different type of questions in different devotees minds. He is the ultimate Perfect Master. Therefore, it could be chits, or a question in our own mind with an answer from some outside source or even from within, there is no particular guideline to having faith in him. Each can embrace our Lord in his own way and get happy
Suresh Bhai, here I agree with you, quoting the above lines that each devotee has his / her own way of practising how closeer they can be to BABA, As Kavita didi responded that
QUOTE FROM KAVITA DIDI
If we ask one question to our own selves whether all his devotees were benefited the same way / equally, the answer is a big NO. Though we all go to a pond, the quantity of water that we obtain depends upon the container that we carry to the pond. The same way, call it faith, patience, devotion, love, karma of previous birth...anything you like it, it is that which became the container that a devotee carried to Baba - the God pond.
UNQUOTE:
We are rewarded by the way we parctice, one cannot abruptly say others ways are wrong, ther will be someone who follow :
1. The Q & A method to get an answer
2. the SAISATCHARITA where the find their answers
3. Through communicating to other SAI FAMILY MEMBERS ( that is why we have SATSANG)
4. CHIT methods
5. Intutions
6. whom they have as their GURU
7. Vrats, Pooja and fasts
In fact I feel doing Poojas are not required as far BABA is concerned, but I cant force anyone on that, If someone feels by NAV GURUWAR VRAT things happen it is upto them we can tell them if they have doubts that BABA will accept anything with devotion.
So we have to be in general in not hurting others and not thrusting into others.
Sorry in the process if I have hurt anyone's feelings.
Regards
KEERTHi
JAI SAI NATHA
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Om Sai Ram....
Its a matter of " FAITH ".
MAANO TOH SAB KUCH NA MAANO TOH KUCH BHI NAHI....
PAR PHIR BHI KARAM TOH KARNA HE PADTA HAI....
" MAN IN HIMSELF IS WEAK HE MUST SEEK SAI'S GRACE ; WITHOUT IT HE CAN DO NOTHING WITH IT HE CAN DO ALL.....
Pravin Bhai & keerthi ji u both r right but ur own ways...
BABA ki two chits " SHRADHA AUR SABURI " hum sab k liye hamesha ho....
Jai Sai Ram...
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I don’t like to start it all over again, but I just want to express my views. Baba himself encouraged the chit method. In one of the chapters of satcharitra when shama ji was not ready to accept the golden embroidered shawl then it was the chit method which helped him. Hence does that mean that he doesn’t believe baba and doubted him? Yes not only with the chit method, baba talks to us with so many sources. There are some lakhs of people who follow so many methods, to get answers from baba or rather to talk to baba. It is everyone’s belief. Keeping full control of mind and body is only possible for people with very higher spiritual level. We are all just human beings. Let me give one example.
In a village there were two brothers. One was a staunch believer of god and the other one also believed in god and was hard working too. One day their father gave them one sack full of rice grains and asked each of them to make it flour by evening. As the 2nd son was hard working he was done with his work by evening. The 1st son being an ardent follower of god prayed god as follows “god as I have to meditate your name day and night, I have some work to do today. Please do my work and change the rice to flour by evening. Meanwhile I chant your name continuously” but to his astonishment the rice grains remained the same till evening.
His faith upon god might or might not be true. But in this generation and in these days it may be impossible to get full control of our mind and taking each and everything in a positive way. It’s only possible by practice. And practice always starts from day 1 and at that time we are just a learner. One or the other day, man has to come across fear and anxiety and there is no wrong in using a source at that time which connects god to us. In fact that is the reason we come to dwarakamai every day.
om sai ram.
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.......... It’s only possible by practice. And practice always starts from day 1 and at that time we are just a learner. One or the other day, man has to come across fear and anxiety and there is no wrong in using a source at that time which connects god to us. In fact that is the reason we come to dwarakamai every day.
om sai ram.
OM SRI SAI RAM
Gayathri dear, Sai Ram
Very nicely said.
Thank you.
Baba bless U always
Baba bless us all
Jai Sai Ram
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QUOTE FROM GAYATHRI JI (ADWAITA)
There are some lakhs of people who follow so many methods, to get answers from baba or rather to talk to baba. It is everyone’s belief. Keeping full control of mind and body is only possible for people with very higher spiritual level. We are all just human beings.
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Thanks Gayathri ji OM SAI NATHA
QUOTE FROM GAYATHRI JI (ADWAITA) Baba himself encouraged the chit method. In one of the chapters of satcharitra when shama ji was not ready to accept the golden embroidered shawl then it was the chit method which helped him. Hence does that mean that he doesn’t believe baba and doubted him? UNQUOTE;
I was also of the opinion that a higher spiritual level reached only over a period of time, In days when a small thing doesn't happen people question whether BABA is even there are not. Great you took the initaive to share your opinion thanks to BABA for giving me an answer through you.
You need to encourage devotees with less strength / have lot of problems on their head to slowly adopt methods whichever suits them to realise BABA's presence.
Thanks GAYATHRI ji once again.
Regards
Keerthisai
JAI SAI NATHA
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Thank you very much didi and keerthi ji for your blessings. baba bless you always and be with you.
om sai ram.
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SO, HAS THE DISCUSSION ON CHIT METHOD NOW OVER?????
WITH SO MANY DISCUSSIONS, AND VIEWS, I WAS GETTING CONFUSED. CUDN'T UNDERSTAND, AAKHIR YEH HO KYA RAHAA HAIN?
IT FINALLY SEEMS AB SAB VIEWS CLEAR HOGAYE.
SO I CAN HAVE MY SAY, NOW
.........I BLIEVE IN CHIT METHODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD :D
OM SAI RAM
WITH LOVE TO SAI
AND TO ALL
SHREYA
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SHREYA ji
OM SAI NATHA.
SO a great art of replying is yours Thanks to BABA for that. we have all liberty to voice our opinion without hurting others feelings.
Yes I AM also with you. We have done great decisions of our life by CHIT METHOD, so at last you found AIR ji Bhai ya Behen abithalk tho patha nahin, Lets us make feel homely to feel the bonding of SAI FAMILY, Let us continue to do service to BABA in our way which BABA will accept surely with a smiling face
By the way jsut brief about yourself if you wish to share with the SAI FAMILY members.
Thanks & regards
Keerthi
JAI SAI NATHA
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Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Dear All Sairam
Forgive me and correct me if I am wrong !
Discussions are meant to enlighten because in the process exchange of information occurs. But discussions with ego and vanity as the motivation factor is detrimental in one's growth since the same shall occur in a way that we speak / argue / make a point with our ears and minds closed. So whenever we want to say something contradictory let's first put forth an humble apology so that the reader reads our message with an open mind. And if any hurt feelings occur, lets be spontaneous in our apologies. After all, we are here at Sai's mandir where our Lord Sai himself denotes humility.
We compete in our spiritual upliftment and the competition is between I and we, the heart and the soul, the good and the bad within one's self.
Sairam
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OM SRI SAI RAM
Dear All, Sai Ram
I have been following this topic very interestingly since I too believe in the chit method.
When I face certain things or unable to decide upon any problem, I would go to Baba's photo and narrate him the problem as though I am talking to any other person in the family and I feel relieved - a feeling that the problem is no more mine and transfered to Baba. So there ends the problem for me.
But, when a serious problem crops up, and I am totally disturbed and unable to decide on the available options, especially when the available options are equally good or equally bad, which one to choose ?
Then I follow this chit method - YES and NO and just stick to whatever comes, even if it appears more negative. I follow it since Baba told me to do. Thats it. No need to bother or even think or analyse the result or feel that had I followed the other option..... etc.
If it turns out a loss, does not matter for, the other option should have definitely landed me in a much severe loss than the one chosen by Baba for me. It is as simple as that.
Thus, I feel the chit method enhances our faith in Baba. It shows how strong our faith is in Baba. Becoz we are just following without applying any reasoning / logic.
However, just like the question and answer Book, this is also not a child game or a fun game. The chit method is just like a guide - Baba himself showing us a way in the most difficult situation where, we are unable to apply our own intelligence.
This is a situation where a devotee prays Baba with tearful eyes and devotion filled heart for a solution having not able to decide on her/his own with her/his then intelligence levels.
Tell me whether any one depends on the decision through a chit alone under any ordinary circumstances (leaving the Baba and devotion aside)?
It is the strength of our faith that makes us stick to the decision of the Baba through Chit.
It is beyond any doubt and needs a lot of faith in Baba. Yes, we may not have confidence in the future made by our own selves. But, through chit, we believe the future as the prasad of Baba. What else is needed ?
Once the devotee uplifts himself/herself by offering the two pice that Baba wants from him/her, he/she feels that divinity in herself/himself and thus at that stage, the necessity of chit etc. does not arise for, the devotee knows Baba himself sitting in his heart and he/she is no different from Baba.
Baba bless us all
Baba be our guide always
Baba be with us all
Jai Sai Ram
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Hi Keerti ( i hope i can call u by ur name, or sud i suffix JI, TOO?? AS U SAY. ???)
If i hurt you tons of sorry to u. plz forgive me, i u have been hurt by n e of my gestures :
after reading sureshji's view, i think i sud talk in a serious tone, and apologise each time i talk to n e one. BCOZ AM GETTING CONFUSED ALL OVER AGAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN ::) ::) ::) ::)
do i need to apologise, even if i am not contradicting n e ones view?? plz, lets not be so strict abt all these and make rules for it. ???
i mean, if unless u r not attacked on personal front, its perfectly ok for others to express their views, whether its pro aur anti-topic..
apologising each time, will itself mar ONE OF THE PURPOSE of this forum, i.e to express freely abt the feelings and wishes to baba.
my head is going round and round.....am ending up being more confused. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I WILL BE MY ORIGINAL SELF, WHETHER N E ONE LIKES IT OR NOT :D :D
AND YES, KEERTI JI, AT LAST I FOUND AIR, BUT WHETHER HE IS BHAI SAHAAB AUR BHENJI, WOH TO BAAD MEIN H PATAA CHALEGA
KEERTI JI, STAR SAI JI BHI NAHIN MILTTE HAIN.....U HAVE N E IDEA??
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YES YES KAVITA DI!!!!! :P
I TRUELY AGREE WITH U. I ALSO TALK THE SAME WAY TO BABA. :P ( THOUGH ALMOST ALL US FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS.)
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SHREYA ji ( No ji from me too if you say so)
Om SAI NATHA
Please be formal no ji's are required, be your own self, no formalities We ( Rather I ) enjoy reading your updates You make the forum, the SAI FAMILY more lively.
By the way you didn't hurt me at all. Once you start apologising then the strength of the BONDING in the SAI FAMILy will be lost, Be as you are and be more active keeping others also lively and Praying/ asking Sai on behalf of the family gives immense peace and more and more devottes get bonded in the process.
Let us be simple and informative, and try to keep the family bonding intact by SAI's grace.
Thanks & regards
Keerthi
JAI SAI NATHA
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Any method is subjective and when done with firm conviction yields great results. So instead 'your preferences' versus mine, I'd like elucidate briefly the powers of mind.
All great philosophers in the world agree on one thing. All things happened from one source and its intelligence and all things continue to evolve from that single source. You can call this source God. Everything is made up of God. So is your Mind. Mind has miraculous powers that can cure an incurable disease and can make miracles and can cut business deals.
Most of the times in life we think we fight against circumstances like poverty, ill-luck, bad relationships, loss of money etc. We only fight and lose to the resistance within us which springs from our upbringing and other negative thoughts or limitations in our belief scales.
If you get accustomed to being a receiver and condition it to your mind you need not resort to chits at all for anything irrespective of criticalness in decision making.
Key words to remember are Total Surrender, Faith, and Patience.
A chit method has its own disadvantages – you force baba to give an answer in an either or format. Who are we to force baba to choose one among the two choices which we have narrowed down? Keep an open mind, narrate your problem once to baba. Just once. Turn your focus inward and ask baba to give an answer. Send out prayers with utter faith. The answer will manifest in your mind. Baba will speak to you directly or it might come as an intuition. Here the choice is Baba's and not the two that you have narrowed down with your analytical mind. If you don't get an answer in one day, Wait. It means the circumstances are unsuitable to continue what you want to do.
Some common misconceptions are this works only for advanced devotees. No. To baba, a shama and some XYZ are the same because both are his children. What separates Shama from Mr.XYZ is Shama has enough experiences to testify his faith unlike XYZ.
Anyone can be a receiver when he has faith irrespective of his spiritual background, he or she needs to shed their resistance through negative beliefs that I will not get an answer.
Ask and it shall be given, knock it shall be open. God is least interested in judging anyone, when you trust him irrespective of your Karmic state in life you get answers.
All in my humble opinion.
PS: I've used the chit method only once in life and am glad i never used it again. It is helping me walk baby steps in the journey of Faith.
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Om Shri Sainathaya Namah........................
Again i stress that as u think so u are.
Please read my earlier mails on Chit Methods.
U will get correct answer only if you have peaceful or still mind without any preconceived answer,which should be followed by total faith and surrender.
But talking to Baba is more easier than Chit Method because Baba is more closer to you then your breath.But again still mind,total faith and surrender are required.This is more direct and easy method.Baba is sitting in ur heart.
Karma is all about mind and nothing to do about body.Body acts according to mind.So you are doing everything by mind.Once soul and mind leave the body,the body is dead and useless.
Now coming to lady who could not conceive child for 10 yrs.When the first year she could not conceive she told herself thousand times in last 10 yrs that she cannot become mother then how can she become mother.Mere wish to become mother or hoping she will become mother will not make her mother.There should be strong desire followed by total faith and surrender at Baba's lotus feet can make her mother.Ask it and its Given.When u ask something from Sai then u already got that thing,such should be the faith.Intially it will be difficult but by practise with full faith and no doubts, u can get it.
Then there were also other mean to get child like test tube baby and other medical sciences means.Also adoption is a noble and brave process to get a child.
People who are jobless think of more of joblessness then how they will get job.People who are poor are always thinking of poverty then how will they become rich.People are always talking and thinking about accident and disease then how they will not reach hospital.Can they not talk and think about sound health and goodness.We always think of weakness then how will you become strong.We are always think of negative things so we we find world so difficult.Miracle and luck are words of weak people.People who believe totally in Sai knows that they will get the thing they want.So he gets by faith and not by miracle or luck.
All is play of mind.Body is acting according to mind even internal organs.
If you want Baba to act through you then make your mind still.Still mind can also be total surrender.
Baba says you will not understand me without total faith and surrender.But by chanting Om Sai Nathaya Namaha non stop, u can reach me.
With Sai by your side, the words impossible becomes I M POSSIBLE.
So please control your mind because human being can control only mind and nothing else.
Be aware of your thought.Convert the positive thoughts from negative thoughts.
Om Shri Sai Nathaya Namah..............
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YEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tHANX KEERTI, ( WITH NO JI )!!! :P PLZ CALL ME SHREYA MINUS JI!!!!
THANX FOR UR UNDERSTANDING AND LOVE FOR ME ( THOUGH U HAV LOVE FOR EVERYONE OF US ). BUT U R SO OPEN TO THOUGHTS AND NEW IDEAS AND VIEWS. I JUST APPRECIATE IT!!!!! 8)
BUT YEH SAB PFIR SE KYA HO RAHAA HAIN YAAHA ::) ::) ::) ::)
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thanks postingji what you say always i completely agree with it your saying are like thoughts which are in my subconcious mind but i dont know how to put into words and then i come to this forum and see you have put in exactly what makes me see sense. i am not able to explain the same to myself but after reading your post i completely understand.
Mind over matter
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Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Dear All Sairam
I just want to post a thought of mine. Last evening I was speaking to one Sai Bandhu. I spoke this line "Dont take ownership of your actions. Dont have the sense of doership". This is quoted from our Lord Sai's SSC.
Somehow today when I was in pooja room preparing for the Arathi of our Lord Sai, this line came into my mind and then this Chit method posts. Then it struck me. What this is all about. What our Bandhus saidasanji and postingji were trying to say is "Not to have the sense of doership. Not to take ownership of our actions, good or bad". Credit it to our Lord Sai. Then he will take care of us. This is total surrender.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Sairam
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good afternoon sir,
i would like to what is chit method
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hello,
i am presenting here a problem. hope i get some solution to this. i finished my pg and got a job in a very good institution. the way i got a job was also miracle. after my pg, my husband didn't want me to work, so i left it to baba, i told him that if baba wants me to work, then he will give me a Job, and i didn't even try to find a job. and one day, i got a call from this institution, saying i have to go and join immediately. i was so happy that baba wanted me to work and that's why he has given me this job.
i worked there for 1 year, then my husband wanted me to quit the job, but i didn't want to because baba had given me this job. but the tension at home was increasing, so i decided that me and my hubby will put chits in front of baba. I TOTALLY TRUST BABA, BUT THE ONLY MISTAKE I DID WAS PUTTING THE CHIT 3 TIMES. I WAS TOLD THAT I HAVE TO PUT THE CHIT 3 OR 5 TIMES. IT WAS ONLY YESTERDAY THAT I HAPPENED TO COME ACROSS THIS SITE AND came to know that we have to put the chit only once.
when we put the chits, baba's first answer was to continue working, but the rest of the 2 times he said no. i thought, since majority is no, he wants me to quit the job. i totally believing that baba wants me to quit, went ahead and resigned. now after reading in this site, i realised that baba actually wanted me to continue working.
i am not particular about working or not working, my only concern is i am not going according to what baba wished for me. is there any answer for this.plz let me know