wat is the most effective way to get ssai baba blessings and talk to him..??

[asterias]

Om Sai Ram !

Dear Moosaji, nice point ..

But Himself said that laws of Karma applied to Him as well ..

Om Sai Ram !

[saib]

Laws of Karma applied too to God. When Lord Vishnu laughed at monkey image of Narad Ji. He had to take birth as human (Shri Ram) and depend on monkeys to win battle against Rawan.

If God(What we know) is Big Server controlling thousands(in fact billions) of computers by LAN (Human visiting Temples/Gurudwaras/Mosques/Church etc.),WAN (People who think helping others and possess good qualities is way of worshiping God) and wifi (People who just live and are lead fully power of delusion i.e. MAYA).

Here, every computer have different configuration.(small HD of 40 MB to 40GB i.e their values of life they adopt from families, teachers, society ), Different RAM (Power of their brain as well understanding power), Different Anti-Virus System (Their Guru's), Different Programs stores (Path of life, Material as well spiritual).

But Server is also a computer, a big very powerful Machine capable to control X no. of machines. Capable to know which machine need up gradation. (Progress on spiritual path).

But still there is someone who controls that Server. A Great Programmer. To identify is first step towards Moksha.

A water drop of sea, millions of time go into sky and return as rain drop, but one days comes it get dissolved. Same way millions of time we take birth, die and return. and finally be free forever in the holy feets of our beloved Sai.

Just a small explanation as what i think and an example only. To know true answers one should go to study Shri Sai Sat charitra, Gita and Shri Guru Granth sahib Ji. No Answer is beyond there.


Om Sri Sai Ram!

[GaneshHariharan]

Dear Saib, Your posts are becoming very engrossing. pls keep it up. Om Sairam.

[rr_sai_bhakt]

Dear Asterias ji,

To your point on the relation between Baba/God and Karma, here are excerpts from this article - http://www.hinduwebsite.com/karmayoga.asp

(The chapters mentioned in this article are the chapters from the Bhagvad Gita)

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Even the Lord Supreme is a true Karmayogi, for he also engages himself in actions, though there is nothing in the three worlds for Him to do or attain (Ch.3.22). He performs actions so that men would follow His example (Ch.3.23) and also that worlds could be saved from disorder and confusion (Ch.3.24). The ignorant acts with selfish motives,with attachment, while the wise act without attachment for the general welfare of the world (Ch.3.25).

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Renunciation of action through knowledge means becoming free from the bondage of actions by knowing the truth about actions- knowing what is action, what is inaction and also what is a prohibited action (Ch.4.17). By knowing this the wise karmayogi learns to to see inaction in action and action in inaction.

The first step in this direction is to learn from the example of god Himself by knowing how He actually engages Himself in action. Though He is unborn and eternal, God incarnates on earth to restore order and balance whenever disorder and confusion becomes excessive. He does this to protect the pious and destroy the wicked (Ch.4.8  ).

Those who know the divine birth and actions of God are freed from the cycle of birth and death (Ch.4.9). By the fire of knowledge of the Divine, they attain His being (Ch.4.10). The fourfold order in society was also created by God (Ch.4.13), again out of no desire but to establish order in the world. The ancient seers knew that actions would not taint God as He had no desire for the fruits of actions. Thus by knowledge they attained perfection.

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Om Sai Ram ....

[Moosa Patel]

Dear Asteriasji,

Yea that shows the difference between him and karma, as per the laws of universe established, law of karma are applied to him, only the difference between our karma and his is, we have bad effects too in our karma and there are no bad effects in his Karma.

Let me make it more clear, our karma is for carrying out our daily activities, which may be bad or good hence the bad and good effects of karma.

Shree SAI BABA’s karma are for carrying out the activities of his devotees, which do not have a bad activity involved in it.

Now to make it more clear, the karma of SHREE SAI BABA to save the child who fell in the furnace of the blacksmith, was met with law of burning his hands, Of course burning of his hand did not make any effect on the action of saving the child from furnace fire.

The karma of SHREE SAI BABA to take away the sickness of his devotees makes its karma phal for him to bear that sickness pain.

The karma of SHREE SAI BABA by way of giving promise to Baija mai, that as long as he is alive nothing will happen to her son. SHREE SAI BABA took over the death of her son on self and completed his promise to Baija mai. The karma phal was SHREE SAI BABA had to accept the death activity.

This way karma is applied to SHREE SAI BABA………..

Allah Malik

Om Sai Ram !

Dear Moosaji, nice point ..

But Himself said that laws of Karma applied to Him as well ..

Om Sai Ram !

[GaneshHariharan]

Dear Asterias ji, with regard to your comments re -the serial. I have not seen it , but i have seen similar ones. my question to you is the follwing

a. OK. You are saying that these serials focus on the actor than on Sai. But atleast they are spreading the message right ? or would you rather suggest people
    see KILL BILL instead.

b. As to the importance of Baba's image. The idol of the image in Samadhi Mandhir looks differently from the painting kept in Dwarkamai , so which one should
    one choose ?. not to mention the  pictures of baba taken when he was alive and in each picture he looks different.

c. Lets suppose that there are 2 illiterate parents like me for instance , but they want their child to teach say Sai's story or Ramayana. and they buy the child
   Comics of the said stories with illustrations so they can also take part in the reading when the child is reading these comics. as you know the illustrations
   are not an exact replica of Gods , so is it wrong ?


Om Shri Sainathaya Namaha.

[asterias]

Om Sai Ram !

Dear Asterias ji, with regard to your comments re -the serial. I have not seen it , but i have seen similar ones. my question to you is the follwing

a. OK. You are saying that these serials focus on the actor than on Sai. But atleast they are spreading the message right ? or would you rather suggest people
    see KILL BILL instead.

b. As to the importance of Baba's image. The idol of the image in Samadhi Mandhir looks differently from the painting kept in Dwarkamai , so which one should
    one choose ?. not to mention the  pictures of baba taken when he was alive and in each picture he looks different.

c. Lets suppose that there are 2 illiterate parents like me for instance , but they want their child to teach say Sai's story or Ramayana. and they buy the child
   Comics of the said stories with illustrations so they can also take part in the reading when the child is reading these comics. as you know the illustrations
   are not an exact replica of Gods , so is it wrong ?


Om Shri Sainathaya Namaha.

a. My post clearly indicates that even the message is not going completely. Potrayal of a personality or rather humanity or the DIVINITY of Sai Baba can never be shown through an actor. He is a SADGURU par excellence.

I suggest people to come to forums such as this. I suggest that they discuss how to understand Sai Baba's teachings. I suggest that they do bhajan. I suggest that they keep their bodies fit and mind sharp. I suggest that they be humble and "be true sons of Sai Baba"

b. Baba's picture or idol is not different from Baba Himself (as was proved by Baba when He was there in His mortal frame). Its sad that so many idols of Baba are made without much resemblance to Baba.

c. Ganesh ji, when we pray to the idol of Baba its not the idol that we really pray to. We pray to it as Sai Baba Himself. Similarly with a photo. Anyways I ll give a similar analogy. I am not able to study for an important exam - should i cheat to pass it ?

My point is that TV is such a powerful  medium that it affects us immediately. If while seeing the serial, one is able to maintain the the fact, that only "message" should learnt and no other thing, its fine. However, most of times we get "caught" up in other things. Plus the level of acting and the actors - all can make make viewers miss the message.

Om Sai Ram !
Om Sai Ram !

[asterias]

Om Sai Ram !

Dear Moosaji

I ll probably put it in a different way. Karma is THE law of the universe - as you sow so you reap.

Baba is BEYOND karma. However when Baba comes down as a physical person - Baba is caught up in Karma. His actions are motivated towards extending the very best for His devotees. Due to this, usually He did take up the Karma of His devotees. For example in the case of blacksmith, He took up the Karma of the the child. Thus while the child was saved, Baba's hand burnt. (Which is quite in contrast to Baba mixing food on a burning pot with His own hands where His hand did not burn)

Karma is the property of NATURE- BABA is NATURE itself.

Om Sai Ram !

[asterias]

Om Sai Ram !

Dear saib ji, I got a bit confused

Laws of Karma applied too to God. When Lord Vishnu laughed at monkey image of Narad Ji. He had to take birth as human (Shri Ram) and depend on monkeys to win battle against Rawan.

If God(What we know) is Big Server controlling thousands(in fact billions) of computers by LAN (Human visiting Temples/Gurudwaras/Mosques/Church etc.),WAN (People who think helping others and possess good qualities is way of worshiping God) and wifi (People who just live and are lead fully power of delusion i.e. MAYA).

Here, every computer have different configuration.(small HD of 40 MB to 40GB i.e their values of life they adopt from families, teachers, society ), Different RAM (Power of their brain as well understanding power), Different Anti-Virus System (Their Guru's), Different Programs stores (Path of life, Material as well spiritual).

But Server is also a computer, a big very powerful Machine capable to control X no. of machines. Capable to know which machine need up gradation. (Progress on spiritual path).

But still there is someone who controls that Server. A Great Programmer. To identify is first step towards Moksha.

A water drop of sea, millions of time go into sky and return as rain drop, but one days comes it get dissolved. Same way millions of time we take birth, die and return. and finally be free forever in the holy feets of our beloved Sai.

Your post makes one feel that there is something beyond GOD ( in your terminology Programmer)

I would equate GOD with a programmer who controls LAN, WAN, Wifi (probably WIMAX too) through SERVER (the properties that HE has assigned to this nature). However being the GREAT PROGRAMMER, He can at will change the coding so that His devotees are benefitted.

The first step toward Moksha, or the first step towards spiritual life, as I believe is to understand our own position right now. To understand that we are in a mess, to understand that we understand nothing.

Om Sai Ram !

[asterias]

Om Sai Ram !

Dear rr ji


I have clarified my point regarding Karma and Baba in the previous posts.

I loved your excerpts. My personal favourite is mentioned below
 He performs actions so that men would follow His example (Ch.3.23) .

Om Sai Ram !

[AYAN]

JUST BELIEVE IN SAI BABA'S MAGIC AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS ONE DAY





MAGIC   !





THIS IS SAI KRIPA

[Moosa Patel]

Dear Asteriasji,

When you are saying this statement :
Karma is the property of NATURE- BABA is NATURE itself.

Then you must not put forward statement as mentioned below:

Om Sai Ram !

Dear Moosaji, nice point ..

But Himself said that laws of Karma applied to Him as well ..

Om Sai Ram !

Om Sai Ram !

So you mean to say that things happen to us based on past Karma ?

Well then .. how does praying to Baba help ? Its all in my Karma right ?

Who is stronger Baba or Karma ?


Om Sai Ram !

But by your following statement it seems that you are improving by discussion.

I am not here to offend anyone. I apologise to the various sai bhaktas here if they are getting offended. My intention is purely to discuss and improve ourselves.

Om Sai Ram !

Your latest posts in comparison to previous posts, shows that there is lot of improvement

Allah Malik

[saib]

Dear asterias,

Soory, I have not cleared my point.
I said God (What people know). For them GOD means Ram, Krishna, Shiv, Hanuman, Nanak, Budha, Sai, Mahavir, Jesus.........................  

If I am jobless went to temple of Rama and Got Job soon. For me Ram is God.
If I am not getting married, I approach Krishna and my marriage Fixed instantly Krishna is God for me.

So, for everyone has his or her God, But as Sai Said "Sabka Malik Ek".
Who is that Malik?

Who is God of God?

There is one wonderful book on Time Management "Samay Aapki Muthi Mai'.
Here Writer has compared that God with Time. Because Time is only beyond power of time. What was before universe, before stars, before sun and before planets. There were no such Gods, as they themselves have been originated by that "God of God called Nirankar or Nirakar". That time there was only Time. Called Akal. Because Thy is only one beyond the power of time.

In my last post I said worldly knowledge can be attained anytime, But Divine knowledge only on perfect timing and with the permission of Lord. One knows or not about his spiritual progress but his spirit (Soul) surely knows where one stands? For me it took about five years to understand meaning of one sentence of Baba which means "all sins of mind can be washed with the chanting of name (Not for formality, but to mediate on name of Lord with full determination)". For Five years I was in impression that if I had committed some sins or mistakes, there is no remedy, I have to face hell here or in that world, as result of my bad karma.
For others I can be of dull mind, as could not understand meaning of one small sentence, But i know it was only time, which judges whether now you deserve true knowledge or not. Merely reading a granth won't qualify someone or give knowledge, there are lots of people (professionals) who used to read these holy books and granths at homes of "Grahasth People" on various occasions. If this would be case all of them would have degree of being a true Guru or Gyani.

I hope now it will give some clarity, if not kindly ignore and consider other postings by my learnt Sai bandhus here. i am too learning.

With Best Wishes!

Om Sri Sai Ram!

[asterias]

Om Sai Ram !

Om Sai Ram !

When you are saying this statement :
Karma is the property of NATURE- BABA is NATURE itself.

Then you must not put forward statement as mentioned below:

Quote from: asterias link=topic=31147.msg257480#msg257480
Om Sai Ram !

Dear Moosaji, nice point ..

But Himself said that laws of Karma applied to Him as well ..

Om Sai Ram !


Quote from: asterias link=topic=31147.msg257480#msg257480
Om Sai Ram !

So you mean to say that things happen to us based on past Karma ?

Well then .. how does praying to Baba help ? Its all in my Karma right ?

Who is stronger Baba or Karma ?


Om Sai Ram !


But by your following statement it seems that you are improving by discussion.

Quote from: asterias link=topic=31147.msg257480#msg257480

I am not here to offend anyone. I apologise to the various sai bhaktas here if they are getting offended. My intention is purely to discuss and improve ourselves.

Om Sai Ram !

Your latest posts in comparison to previous posts, shows that there is lot of improvement

Allah Malik

My earlier statements still hold true, however I am happy that I am improving

I say so because, Karma will effect Baba once He comes down in a physical frame. Otherwise Baba is stronger than Karma. Period.

Reason - He can change/modify Karma at will. However He too has to follow the rules ( and He wll because thats how HE has made the universe). So Karma will affect Him. For being the ideal example, Baba will undergo all that which affects other humans.

Om Sai Ram !

[asterias]

Om Sai Ram !

Dear saib ji

I have not read the book. So cant say much regarding that book. But based on my other readings, there is something that I would like to share.

So, for everyone has his or her God, But as Sai Said "Sabka Malik Ek".
Who is that Malik?

Who is God of God?

Baba speaks on many levels. Baba appears as Sadhaka, prophet ( messenger of God ) and God in different instances. When He says "Sabka Mallik Ek", He either means GOD (Malik) or He could also mean that there is someone above Him (for example when He says 'Allah Malik". We can see that He calls Himself GOD sometimes and sometimes as the "servant" of God.

However, He is GOD. In my opinion, there is NO God of GOD.

There is only ONE GOD. And that is SAI (as proved by Him in various leelas)


Regarding TIME. Well what is TIME ? Physics cant define TIME. Not just that Physics cant define things like weight, energy, etc etc.

TIME starts with creation. [/b]

What was before universe, before stars, before sun and before planets.

Before or After depend on TIME. Before or After are in TIME. So how can there be a before, before creation of TIME!!

Om Sai Ram !

ps: This thread is really getting really interesting - After discussion, Sai Baba, Karma, prayers, Gita etc we have now even involved TIME !
GLORY TO SAI. Sainath Maharaj ki JAI