Why Love hurts??!!

[saloni1]

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[posting]

Om Sai Nathaya Namah.....................

Dear Sister,

There is no need to feel sorry or guilty.Everything happens for good.To take us to new level of spirituality.

Baba Bless U.

Om Sai Nathaya Namah.....................

[Kavitaparna]

OM SRI SAI RAM

Baba! bless us all and guide us all in the right path.

JAI SRI SAI RAM

[adwaita]

Dear all,

I am not that expert to discuss about true love. I know just one thing that there is only love and nothing like true love or false love. I also stick to one point that man should love his mind as well as his body. Body plays as equal role as his mind. If the body doesn't have any value then baba would never ask his devotees to eat before praying. All I know are these simple points which also makes life simple.

It is very unfortunate to see posts like below calling the posts as a CHAT ROOM. If the post is gone through clearly, we can find so many prayers in it not only 'hi and bye'. It also includes some one's pain, sorrow and prayers and those prayers are not a joke. My only one question is - Does all the poeple who go to shirdi keep on praying to baba without talking anything to anyone? This forum is like our dwarakamai, but it is very disappointing to see few people considering something like this as fake. Please forgive me if I am offending anyone but there should be freedom for at least praying and sharing some one's problem. om sai ram. 

Shree Sai
 
 
I request the administration to delete the topic on 'love marriages..." too since the topic is bringing made this divine forum almost a CHAT ROOM. Typing something and adding a mere 'sairam' should not be called something done in the divine name "sai".

 

[adwaita]

Dear suresh bhai,

I am thankful to you for explaining very well about love in simple and beautiful words. Baba bless this forum always with people like you. om sai ram.

Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha

Dear All Sairam

I am blessed that I came to this mandir. I posted my prayers here and so many of the Sai Bandhus prayed for me and still doing for others too.

It greatly pains now when I see that some of us are not maintaining the decorum and respect the feelings of each other.

Pravin bhai, you are absolutely right about physical love, attachment etc. But is it really possible for us to be detached from the body ? I feel we are all still at the lowest rung of spirituality. And that is not a bad qualification. It is but natural if we fall in love, if we love somebody for their external traits and personality, it is absolutely OK if we are involved with Physical Love. It is acceptable by our Lord Sai too. Or else why would he wail and cry when the blessed Megha died ? Where was the need for him to emote as normal human being ? Lord Sai is the most unique of the saints. He satisfied the beings basic needs so that they can latter on appreciate his actual preachings. He acted as the humans so that we can understand him better. This is most evident from what he said "I give what they so that they will ask what I want to give".



All the humans are intelligent enough to realise that love and hate are two sides of the same coin. All realise that it is just a Maya. Therefore they come out of shock, loss etc.

How can one survive without attachment ? Did we not know or do we not know that death will do us apart when we married or get married ? Even our elders knew this. This world will not exist without some of these attachments. We are physically attached to our parents, siblings, friends, spouses and children. We even have pets to which we attach great importance. We cry/laugh along with them. This is a nature and the world's way. Else we will be zombies.

Only thing to remember : Lets not get carried away with these attachments to a point where it might upset us or others. Thats I mentioned Love does not hurt. IT SHOULD NOT HURT.

Similarly, let us try not to get personal when we want to make a point.
Postingji is at an higher level of thinking and practise. It might not suit others. It does not mean we have to get upset about it. We are all a big family. Please understand that it is our Rinanubandha which has brought us together. (it is mentioned in the Sri Sai Satcharitra). Let's not kick away the gift our Lord Sai, which has brought us all together.

If our posts are deleted by the Moderator, we should ask the moderator for the reason. We should try to understand or convince the moderator about our convictions. And still if it does not seem satisfactory, lets just forget it and pray to Our Lord to guide us. He is the supreme and most understanding.

Sairam

[Shreesri]

Dear all,

I am not that expert to discuss about true love. I know just one thing that there is only love and nothing like true love or false love. I also stick to one point that man should love his mind as well as his body. Body plays as equal role as his mind. If the body doesn't have any value then baba would never ask his devotees to eat before praying. All I know are these simple points which also makes life simple.

It is very unfortunate to see posts like below calling the posts as a CHAT ROOM. If the post is gone through clearly, we can find so many prayers in it not only 'hi and bye'. It also includes some one's pain, sorrow and prayers and those prayers are not a joke. My only one question is - Does all the poeple who go to shirdi keep on praying to baba without talking anything to anyone? This forum is like our dwarakamai, but it is very disappointing to see few people considering something like this as fake. Please forgive me if I am offending anyone but there should be freedom for at least praying and sharing some one's problem. om sai ram. 

Shree Sai
 
 
I request the administration to delete the topic on 'love marriages..." too since the topic is bringing made this divine forum almost a CHAT ROOM. Typing something and adding a mere 'sairam' should not be called something done in the divine name "sai".

 

Shreesai

Adwaita ji,

As you have rightly put it, no one is an expert to say anything. We all are going on learning  from various sources and this Dwarakamai supposed to be a place of peace is an ocean of knowledge and hence we are all flocking to it. Just tell me what is the message one member conveys in an open forum by calling another member to quickly come on to the Yahoo messenger for a chat and adding a sai ram ?

Is this Dwarakamai meant for that ?

If one person fails in love, and seeks other saibandhus to pray for them, it shows the value they have for their love and lover. No doubt in it. But, please go through that topic and every post and then you number out how many posts are worth to be read in an open forum. What does this 'second love' mean  (in one of those posts)? What does this topic conclude ? Whether Baba supports love marriage or wants to you search for  a second and third love ? How cheap these words sound in a devotional forum? Is this the way Sai devotees should express ?
 
If you feel every post worthy and informative in the forum, then I shall modify my post and remove the word 'Chat Room'. I am sorry to get a reply from a true devotee like you.

Under the present topic too, I do not feel the way the moderators / admisnistration /diplomacy ....... etc are taken to task. I do not know what is all this negativity continuing still. Instead of feeling bad that they have posted something objectionable and revising themselves, we should not continue to be quarreling.

It indirectly means that more than the decorum of the forum, expression of our ego is given more importance here.

Shreya ji, atleast now, make your self clear enough than continuing mockery, for, one day you may be replied in the same or even least indecent way, by a suitable member.

I also request the administration to advise Mr./Ms. Posting not to post with provocative langauage since the same hurts sentiments of many.

I request no mockery from your side Shreya ji on my posts.

To differ on any opinion is quite natural. But, knowing our own mistakes and rectifying them is human. I congratulate Ms.Suhani and Mr./ Ms. Posting for their nice guesture here.

Shreesai

[Pearl India]

om sai ram

dear sai brothrs and sisters

this is our temple....
nd we have our own views.
nd each one is correct from whr he or she looks at the situation........

we didnt post ne thin sayin ths n ths s is wrng......
but it ws jst an attempt to cnvince all about our point of view.....

My english teachr at high school once said tht
NO ONE IS PERFECT WE ARE ALL ON TH PATH TO PERFECTION
baba ,par brahm is perfection
n he is pulling us all to him

_ __ _____________________________ ___________________________GOD                                                                                      

we all occupy diffrent positions on this spiritual path n no one s wrng as baba himself is guiding each one of us he s within us

m a teachr myself...
n as per th psychological principal of teaching........

u can not teach division to a child of class 1 or nursery.........
thr mind s nt so developd.......
othr things r to b dealt wd first........
or th child may b scared of it,run away frm things cnsidring thm to b difficlt.....

moreovr we follow diffrnt methods......activities n all at juniour level.
nd lectures at highr levl.....
if lectr methd s followd at pirmry levl th child will lose intreset...

baba is our guru or teacher......
sm kids r still in nursery class of his spiritual school
n he follows a diffrnt method wd thm tht of dierct experiences nd wll proceed to highr levls latr.

dealing wd individual differences as well

i hv seen cases whr whn ppl do not rcv support frm god or ny othr corrct source thy think of human n spiritual values as fake......thy do not trust god n mock at th faith whch we have........

tht s wht it is .........we had good karmas to resort to baba s feet........

i took senior membrs as my teachers.....u have so much of spiritual experience...nd we cn learn frm it n hv been learning frm thm........
i hv lernt to be calm,patient n faith ful frm nimmi ji,saidasan ji,shweta suresh ji.........n all of th seniour members.

it been an year or so baba hs embraced me.n being a new lerner i ws eagr to tlk to him....reffrd to th question answr book...n th segmnt in th forum ,ssc..nd ..... frm discussn on th chit method......i wondred if we cud listen frm baba within...n in th past few days i hv followd th innr voice frm within
n hv realised tht whn th sea of thots is silent baba speaks.........n needless to say it stnds gud whn folld n problms whn nt..........


thr are ppl who are at the initiall point.....nd discssns like ths.....shake thr faith....we r nt competent enuf to judge nybdy nwe hv no authority as well....tht power rest at th feet of th lord.... nd if we cnnot help thm plz lets not break thm emotionally or create doubt for thm..............we need ur guidnce..prayers nd blessings......it will take us time to cm to th higher level ........nd baba s thr to guide each one of us.

i always wishd to cmmunicate wd th seniour membrs n seek guidnce...bt ws hesitnt most of th times......
n ths happnd for gud in tht sense

well
i wishd if evn u all cud pray wd us......

may baba bless all

om sai ram

[Pearl India]

om sai ram........

i think th whole of it became an issue...aftr th post were deleted.th posts no doubt are deleted to maintain th sanctity of th temple.but thr ws nthin as such writtn........if baba helps we may get the deleted post....nd thn u all can read nd decide......

th mattr wud hv not takn th shape.....cz all thngs m explainin here were already mentiond thr.

i didnt reply initially......
cz of a few thots frm ssc........
tht only ego gvs rise to discssn n debate......
nd tht let th world go topsy turvy u shudnt move frm ur place......

whts mine s wd me n whts urs is wd u.........so thr ws nvr a need of th discssn.
but thn we need to cnvinc u all of our point of view as well
nd nt to prove ny one wrng.
cz as i v earlier said.
all are corrct frm th point thy view things.........

 we invite each othr to yahoo n all...........
n lemme explain th reason as well

it s to maintain th decorum of th temple.........
we fall we break emotionally n we dnt wanna express it at th forum....
we listen to each othr,support n console each othr.....nd rise agn wth highr spirits.
we hv invited each oth for conferences n all are welcomed for those.
keerthi di hd been to shirdi nd she s bsy.
we wntd to talk to her n knw bout her experiences n thy too hv been posted in th topic.

n we want to begin wd n end our wrds takin baba s name........

n.... i hope i hv cleard myself n my frns.

we r ready to gv an explanation whtevr u ask for.....

but i dnt feel gud if we or our intntions are misundrstood.

we hv our own view to look at things........
sm deal wd thm authoritatvly sm democrticlly n othrs tak things light.........
whn we do not knw individuals we shud not commnt upon ne bdy........
it might hurt sm one n latr on we may realise tht we r wrng....

shreya gvs smiles to each one of us
her attackin way to problems is appreciated
she fills us up wd enthusiasm
she had nthin to do wd th affr...
she hs her family
but knwn tht things were takin a wrng shape she posted things
as we all were upset wd it.....
nd she wsnt evn aware of ths topic.........
i brot ths to her notice.....

ths thng.......
hs put a question mark on our image n character.........
we are comited...n th social taboos,kundali things,caste,nd ego of parents in sm cases...we r togthr fightin wd these n prayin baba to remove these..........these may b due to previous karmas....n it wl lead to furthr discsn whch i personally dnt wnt.
nd as a represntativ frm all my frns.......i hv put all ths here.

.
at difficlt times we all seek god..........ur problem n my problem are diffrnt al togthr.........i hv felt tht u dnt evn need to think of ur problems as baba knws wht u feel.........nd expressin our things hv created these problms........n love s still nt undrstood......only th wearer knws whr th shoe pinches....whn its love its ought to b pure.............

jaisa bhav rha jis jan ka vaisa roop hua mere mann ka.........
lets all serve him the way we like cz he accepts all........

no one s wrng.....

om sai ram

[Pearl India]

om sai ram

nd respectin th feelins of all.........
we will try n make more use of personal msgs
for invitin ppl for confrnce or chats....
it ws jst tht to ask thm to come to a common place ws easier.....

we wished to make it a practise using om sai ram or sairam for greeting ppl instead of using hello or hi.....n thts wht cms strt frm heart....


keerthi di hs been really close to us in th last few days
n she is a trstwrthy source
th administration can confirm frm her

regards
suhani

om sai ram

[Kavitaparna]

With all due respect to everyone,

I don't see the reason why the topic of "... love marriage" should be objectionable to anybody in this forum. Whoever said only certain problems are meant to be taken up to God? People go to God with all kinds of problems. There is nothing unusual in these girls prayers. The kind of prayers offered to God are different at different ages/stages in a person's life. In a normal life, between 5-12, you ask for toys and chocolates maybe, somewhere around 18-30, you ask for love/companionship, a career, offspring etc., later on you ask for the welfare of your spouse and kids, and life goes on.....there are difficulties and obstacles we face at every phase of life and we have always been taught to resort to the Almighty with any and all kinds of problems that we encounter in this journey of life. Prayer gives us strength to bear the agony of anything that is emotionally taunting or torturing us. In this case, all these girls facing the exact same problem, found each other through this forum and are comforting and helping each other go through this difficult period in their life. It is difficult for them, though it might not seem to be a big deal to many. Attraction, Infatuation, and falling in Love are experienced by everyone when they are young. Why is it considered wrong? It is meant to be that way. One cannot belittle anyone's problems in life. And yes, certain lessons in life are only meant to be learnt through experience.....You are expected to think like a 10 year old at 10, 25 year old at 25 and 50 year old at 50. It is not only futile but also unnecessary for a 50/25 year old to explain anything about life to a 10 year old. You definitely don't want to be robbed of your childhood innocence or your youthful exuberance by being forced to understand life without getting a chance to experience it.

Om Sai Sri Sai

Priya

OM SRI SAI RAM

Priya ji, Sai Ram!

Hearty welcome to this Dwarakamai.

Indeed a beautiful analysis and a very meaningful post.

Please continue to share your valuable messages in our forum.

Baba bless U always.

Baba be with Us all

Jai Sai Ram

[saidasan]

Not just Love anything hurts when you focus your energy and attention passionately to it.
By keeping this topic active someone or other is going to get hurt. And it might set the trap of spiraling replies.
We are all devotees of Sai and it is better to use the approach Say-So-And-Leave.
IMHO, locking this thread could do this forum a world of good.
Thanks.

[adwaita]

Dear shreesri ji,

You are absolutely correct, we are still in the path of learning. When we are still learning, no one can expect us to think everything in a spiritual manner. At least I have not yet reached that stage. May be that's why I wished to stay away from this topic. One or two posts may not make sense shree ji but just for the sake of those posts, deleting the whole topic is injustice because it has so many prayers. And if at all deleting that topic is a solution for it, then it would have been gone long back. The thread starter might have started the topic keeping her points in view and those who check that thread may have some other point of view. It may not seem to be a big problem to few but only those who suffer knew what it is like.

As suhani said, adding a sai ram is just a good practice. Nothing to cover up the message or to make it more important by adding a 'sai ram'. When I make a call, some people say 'sai ram' instead of hello. So almost all the people in this forum are habituated to 'sai ram'. Please do not call me a true devotee, I do not deserve it. I am not replying in return to argue with you, I am just replying because I also agree with your points. Please forgive me if my words are offending. Hope there will always be love among us instead of ego and pride which breeds discussions. om sai ram.

Adwaita ji,

As you have rightly put it, no one is an expert to say anything. We all are going on learning  from various sources and this Dwarakamai supposed to be a place of peace is an ocean of knowledge and hence we are all flocking to it. Just tell me what is the message one member conveys in an open forum by calling another member to quickly come on to the Yahoo messenger for a chat and adding a sai ram ?

Is this Dwarakamai meant for that ?

If one person fails in love, and seeks other saibandhus to pray for them, it shows the value they have for their love and lover. No doubt in it. But, please go through that topic and every post and then you number out how many posts are worth to be read in an open forum. What does this 'second love' mean  (in one of those posts)? What does this topic conclude ? Whether Baba supports love marriage or wants to you search for  a second and third love ? How cheap these words sound in a devotional forum? Is this the way Sai devotees should express ?
 
If you feel every post worthy and informative in the forum, then I shall modify my post and remove the word 'Chat Room'. I am sorry to get a reply from a true devotee like you.

Under the present topic too, I do not feel the way the moderators / admisnistration /diplomacy ....... etc are taken to task. I do not know what is all this negativity continuing still. Instead of feeling bad that they have posted something objectionable and revising themselves, we should not continue to be quarreling.

It indirectly means that more than the decorum of the forum, expression of our ego is given more importance here.

Shreya ji, atleast now, make your self clear enough than continuing mockery, for, one day you may be replied in the same or even least indecent way, by a suitable member.

I also request the administration to advise Mr./Ms. Posting not to post with provocative langauage since the same hurts sentiments of many.

I request no mockery from your side Shreya ji on my posts.

To differ on any opinion is quite natural. But, knowing our own mistakes and rectifying them is human. I congratulate Ms.Suhani and Mr./ Ms. Posting for their nice guesture here.

Shreesai

[Kavitaparna]

Not just Love anything hurts when you focus your energy and attention passionately to it.
By keeping this topic active someone or other is going to get hurt. And it might set the trap of spiraling replies.
We are all devotees of Sai and it is better to use the approach Say-So-And-Leave.
IMHO, locking this thread could do this forum a world of good.
Thanks.

OM SRI SAI RAM

Dear Sri, Sai Ram!

Our Father, Lord, God , Sadguru...(everything) has promised to Sapatnekar that he would place the same child in the womb of his wife. Thus, as promised, Baba did bless Sapatnekar with the same child.

Let us all together make this a very positive topic contributing positive replies so that it will be of use to all the members.

All the Sai Children, can comfortably spill 'lots of love' to this topic which is feeling 'hurt' sometime ago.

Jai Sai Ram

[saidasan]

Inner Worship

Hemadpant has given us a novel form of worship. Let us, he says, use hot water in the form of tears of joy to wash the Sad-guru's feet, let us besmear His body with sandle-paste of pure love, let us cover His body with the cloth of true faith, let us offer eight lotuses in the form of our eight Sattwik emotions and fruit in the form of our concentrated mind; let us apply to His head bukka (black-powder) in the form of devotion and tie the waistband of Bhakti and place our head on his toes.

After decorating the Sad-guru with all jewelry in this way, let us offer our all to Him and wave chamar of devotion to ward off heat. After such blissful worship, let us pray thus:- "Introvert our mind, turn it inward, give us discrimination between the Unreal and the Real and non-attachment for all worldly things and thus enable us to get Self-realisation. We surrender ourselves, body and soul (body-consciousness and ego). Make our eyes Yours, so that we should never feel pleasure and pain. Control our body and mind as You will and wish. Let our mind get rest in Your Feet".

[Kavitaparna]

OM SRI SAI RAM

The Lovable Shirdi woman folk :

The news of Baba's grinding wheat spread into the village, and at once men and women ran to the Masjid and flocked there to see Baba's act. Four bold women, fro m the crowd, forced their way up and pushing Baba aside, took forcibly the peg or handle into their hands, and, singing Baba's Leelas, started grinding. At first Baba was enraged, but on seeing the women's love and devotion, He was much pleased and began to smile.

JAI SAI RAM