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Re: Sri Sai Babas Charters and Sayings
« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2006, 08:10:59 PM »
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  • (2) Deserve before you desire
    132.   A visitor: Baba, What is God like?
    Baba: (Not addressing the visitor but addressing a devotee X ) Go to Bagchand Marwadi and tell him Baba wants Rs.100/- and bring the money.
    X (returning in a minute): The Marwadi says he has no money and sends his namaskars.
    Baba: Go to the next money lender and ask him for a loan of Rs.100/- for me.
    X (returning in a minute): He says he has not got the money.
    Baba: Fetch Nana Saheb Chandorkar (and when Nana came)
    Baba: Nana, I want Rs.100/-
    Then Nana wrote a chit to Bagchand Marwadi for a loan of Rs.100.
    The money was at once sent by the Marwadi.
    Baba: All is like this in the world.
    Visitor later on to Das Ganu Maharaj: Why did not Baba answer my question?
    D.G: He has.
    Visitor: How?
    D G: When others asked for money, it was not forthcoming. Nana Saheb asked for it and got it at once. Similarly the man who merely wants to know Brahman does not get it. It is he who is qualified to know it that gets it. Baba’s answer is, “Deserve, before you desire ( Brahman)”.


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    Re: Sri Sai Babas Charters and Sayings
    « Reply #31 on: August 25, 2006, 08:23:08 PM »
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  • Surrender five – if you want Brahman

    133.    A rich man came to Baba with plenty of money in his pocket and very anxious to avoid the extra expenditure resulting from the cabman's demand for prolonged stay at Shirdi. He said to Baba, "Baba" show me God (Brahman). It is for this I come all this long way. People say that Shirdi Baba reveals Brahman quickly.

    B.: O, do  not  fear Immediately  and  clearly  I  will show you.     This is not a matter that can be put off.     It is  hard  to  get   questioners   seeking  illumination  like   vou. Most people seek wealth, cure of disease or trouble, honour, position   or  perpetual   pleasure   and   other  earthly   objects. None   wants   God.      Oh,   I   long   to   see   those,   who   long to see God.   Now, Brahman is the root cause of the Universe: That   which   accounts   for   Solar   and   Planetary   motions, variations of seasons, division of functions between God etc. One must know i.e. realise Brahman before death.   Else there will be an ever recurring cycle of births and deaths.   Realisation gives 'Kevala Advaita Sukham'.    A Guru gives it and only a Guru can.

    Baba then turned to some others and then sent a boy out with these words:     "Go,  tell  Nandalal  Marwadi,  Baba urgently   wants   a   hand-loan   of  Rs.5/-   and   bring   the money."     The  boy  went  and  found  the  Marwadi,   absent. Baba sent  more  messages  to  absent  men. The rich man was  getting impatient at Baba's omission to give  him Atmajnan or  sight  of God, more  especially because  delays would  mean   extra   payment  to   the   tongawalla  whom   he had  engaged   for   the   return journey   also. He saw, of course, that  Baba wanted Rs.5/- and he could   stop  the repeated requests of Baba for Rs.5/- by paying it out of the Rs.250A he had in his pocket; but he was oppressed with the fear that if he advanced the loan, it might prove irrecoverable.

    R.M.: Will you help me to grasp Brahman? Baba: You see what I  have been doing all this while, is to enable you to see God-Even as you are now seated. Have you understood nothing? I want five. One must  surrender  the five  to  get  at  Brahman.  One   must surrunder i.e.  even the five senses (indriya) the five Pranas and manas, Buddhi,   Ahankar   (Mind, Intellect  and  Ego)-(all of which involve Vairagya i.e., detachment). The road to  Brahma  Jnana  is  hard  to  tread. All  cannot  tread  it. When   it dawns, there will be light. One who feels unattached to things   terrestrial and celestial is alone; competent to have Brahmajnan.

    The man found that Baba had read his strong Attachment to Rs.5/- which he considered more important than getting Brahmajnana Upadesa.



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    Re: Sri Sai Babas Charters and Sayings
    « Reply #32 on: August 26, 2006, 04:19:53 PM »
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  • Do all who go to Baba, get benefit?
    134.    Damodar S.Rasane, thought of this question in his mind and sat before Baba.
    Baba: Look at the mango tree in blossom. If all flowers turned fruit, what a splendid crop it will be? But do they? Most fall of (either as flowers or, as unripe fruits, by wind etc.) Very few remain.

    VII. Baba wants complete Surrender
    135.   Baba   (to   Buty):   Curly   locks,   Give   me   16   1/2 Rs.Dakshina.
    Buty: I have not got the money here now.
    B: Go to Kaka and ask him for 16 1/2 Rs. and be listening to the Pothi, he is reading.
    Buty accordingly came to H.S.D. and asked for Rs. 16 1/2.
    H.S.D.: I have got only Rs. I/- and cannot pay Rs. 161/2.
    Buty: Baba asked me however to listen to your Pothi.
    Then H.S.D. read on his Bhagavatam and the first Stanza that came there was “Kayan vacha” etc., which refers to complete surrender of all acts to God. So Baba wanted complete surrender to him as he was God. But where is 16 1/2  in that stanza? For one thing, there are 17 phrases in it. For another thing, the objects for surrender are 16, but "Chitta has been omitted, in the text, "says the commentary. That will make it 17, but Chitta is only ½ . So 161/2 objects mentioned there had to be surrendered to Baba, as amounting to complete Surrender.



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    Re: Sri Sai Babas Charters and Sayings
    « Reply #33 on: August 27, 2006, 10:35:23 PM »
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  • Anna Saheb Dabolkar
    136.    Anna Saheb Dabolkar anxious to have Sakshatkara sat before Baba and thought "Will not Baba give me Upadesha some day?"

    B.: Get up, go to Shama Bring from him Rs.15/- Sit with him for a while, have a chat and then bring me Rs.15/-dakshina, he will give you.
    Dabolkar went and told Shama the facts.
    Shama: Instead of Rs.15/- convey to Baba my fifteen namaskaras and tell him that is the dakshina.

    D: But Baba has asked me to sit and chat with you and then bring the dakshina you will give. This was because   I   sat   before  Baba   thinking   he   should  give me Upadesha. ;

    S.: Baba never give Upadesh as is ordinarily understood i.e., he never utters mantra in the ear of any devotee. Here is an instance of his refusal.

    137.    Radha Bai Deshmukin   came to Baba   for Upadesh, got none and  resolved   upon  satyagraha.  She started fasting,   which   should   only  end   with   either  death or   with   Upadesha   from  Baba   whichever   occurred   first After   three   days   of her  fruitless   fast   I  interceded  with Baba   on   her   behalf and   requested   Him   to   utter  some i divine   name   in   her  presence.      Baba   sent for her and addressed her thus.
    Mother, why do you think of dying and torture youself? Take pity on me, your chilld. I am a beggar. Look here, my guru was a great saint and highly merciful.   I fatigued myself in trying to serve him and yet he did not utter any mantra in my ear.   Instead, he first shaved me clean and then begged of me, two pice.    What he wanted was not metallic coin-he did not care even for gold, but only Nishta and Saburi i.e., faith and courageous patience. I gave these to him at once and he was pleased.

    Mother, Saburi is courage, do not discard it, It ferries you across to the distant goal. It gives manliness to men, eradicates sin and dejection and overcomes all fear.

    For   12  years  I  waited  on  my  Guru,   who is peerless and loving.     How can I describe his love to me?     When he was Dhyanasta (in love trance) I sat and gazed at him;    I and  we  were  both  filled  with  Bliss.   I  cared  not  to  turn   my eye upon anything else.    Night and day I poured upon his face with an ardour of love that banished hunger and thirst.      The   Guru's   absence,   even  for  a   second,   made me  restless.      I   meditated   upon   nothing   but   the   Guru and had no goal or object other than the Guru.    Unceasingly fixed   upon   him,   was   my   mind.      Wonderful   indeed that art of my Guru!    I wanted nothing but the Guru and he  wanted   nothing  but   my  love.      Apparently  actionless, he never  neglected   me;   but   always  protected  me  by  his glance.

    That Guru-I tell thee true, sitting as I do in this Masjid-never blew any mantra into my ear; nor do I blow any into yours. Go thou and do likewise.
    If you make me the sole object of your thoughts and aims, you will attain Paramartha, the supreme goal. Look at me with undivided attention; so will I look at you. This is the only truth, my Guru taught me. The four sadhanas and the six sastras are not necessary. With entire confidence, trust your Guru. That is enough.

    Shama: The lady bowed, accepted the advice and gave up her satyagraha.
    Then Dabolkar returned to Baba and narrated his talk and what happened.

    137-A. Mantropadesa: Baba and his gurus never gave Upadesa of mantra in the ear of the initiated (623-4). But he recommended Rama mantra often for Japa e.g. to Sri M.W.Pradhan: see 192 to 198.

    138.    Baba : Our art is unique. Remember this. To get Atmajnan, dhyana is needed i.e., the Atma-anushtana that pacifies and carries the mind into Samadhi. So give up all desires and dwell in your mind upon God in all. If the mind is thus concentrated, the Goal is achieved.



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    Re: Sri Sai Babas Charters and Sayings
    « Reply #34 on: August 29, 2006, 09:29:43 AM »
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  • For Dhyana, meditate on me either as in form or as formless, mere Ananda. If such formless contemplation is hard, then think of my form, just as you see it here. Think of it night and day. With such meditation, the mind dissolves into unity (i.e., attains Laya). The difference between subject, and object, (me and you) and the act of contemplation will be lost. This results in Chaitanya Ghanata, Brahma Samarasata. The Guru's glance is bread and milk for the pupil.

    139.    Then Baba gave sugar-candy prasad to Dabolkar and said: "If you keep this instruction in .mind, it will be as sweet as this sugar-candy." Baba then recommended the study or Sravana of the Katha followed by Manana Nidhi Dhyasa, Smarana and Dhyana, all of which will lead to realisation of Ananda Ghana. That which is seen is the manifestation of Brahman through Maya and will dissolve again into Brahman. Look into the six sastras to see if the Atman is one or as many as there are jivas. The crown of Jnana is the realisation of the one Atman, from which everything has issued.

    140.    By Rinanubandha, you have come to me. Have regard to Rinanubandha. Whoever or whatever creature comes to you, do not drive away but receive with due consideration. Give food to the hungry, water to the thirsty and clothes to the naked. Then God will be pleased, Do not bark at people. Be not pugnacious. Bear with others' reproach. Speak only gentle words. This is the way to happines. Let others and the world turn topsy-turvy but do not mind that. Keep on to your own course straight. The world maintains a wall-the wall of differentiation between oneself and others between you and me. Destroy this wall. God is the supreme Lord. Allah Malik. Wondrous, precious and long-enduring are his works. Your object will be fulfilled in the due course. We shall both attain bliss by mutual love.



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    Re: Sri Sai Babas Charters and Sayings
    « Reply #35 on: September 01, 2006, 10:17:01 PM »
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  • Baba's Regard for Hindu Gods
    144.   Once when rain was beating inside a chavadi wherein Baba sat, he was asked to move up into a higher place where an image of Maruti was kept.
    144-A. 175. Baba's order of secrecy. Taibai Jog had eye trouble. The eyes were sinking deeper and deeper. Baba gaver her a simple and easy prescription, adding "keep this secret. Do not apply the medicine in the presence of other." She followed the advice and was cured.
    Baba: How can we be seated on the same level as God?
    145. Baba (to Appa Kulkarni): Mohiniraj at Nivas is Saguna Brahma. Go and take darsan of him before going to the Deputy Collector. (A.K. did so and was acquitted)
    Syama and others to Baba: Are the Puranas true?
    Baba: Yes.
    Syama: What about Rama and Krishna?
    Baba: They were great souls. Gods they were; Avatars.
    Baba's Regard for Vittal
    146. When Balwant Rao Kshirsagar came to Shirdi;
    Baba: This son never worships or gives Naivedya to Vittal as his father did. He starves Vittal and me. His father was my friend. So I have drawn him here. I now remind him to renew the father's pooja.


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    « Reply #36 on: September 01, 2006, 10:18:53 PM »
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  • Baba's Regard for Hindu Gods
    144.   Once when rain was beating inside a chavadi wherein Baba sat, he was asked to move up into a higher place where an image of Maruti was kept.
    144-A. 175. Baba's order of secrecy. Taibai Jog had eye trouble. The eyes were sinking deeper and deeper. Baba gaver her a simple and easy prescription, adding "keep this secret. Do not apply the medicine in the presence of other." She followed the advice and was cured.
    Baba: How can we be seated on the same level as God?
    145. Baba (to Appa Kulkarni): Mohiniraj at Nivas is Saguna Brahma. Go and take darsan of him before going to the Deputy Collector. (A.K. did so and was acquitted)
    Syama and others to Baba: Are the Puranas true?
    Baba: Yes.
    Syama: What about Rama and Krishna?
    Baba: They were great souls. Gods they were; Avatars.
    Baba's Regard for Vittal
    146. When Balwant Rao Kshirsagar came to Shirdi;
    Baba: This son never worships or gives Naivedya to Vittal as his father did. He starves Vittal and me. His father was my friend. So I have drawn him here. I now remind him to renew the father's pooja.


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    « Reply #37 on: September 04, 2006, 05:27:05 PM »
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  • (c) Coins
    162. It 1908 Balakrishna Ramachandra Khairikar going into the mosque trod upon a coin, a quarter anna piece, picked it up and gave it to Baba.
    B.R.K.: Baba, this is your coin.   Keep it safe.
    B. (returning it): that is all right. Take this coin home. Keep it in your puja along with the images you, worship.
    Khairikar worshipped it for three years and had prosperity. He then lost the coin and also prosperity.
    163. Baba giving S.B.D. coin: Preserve this carefully. Do not part with it to anyone-nor spend it.

    (d) Tomb Worship
    164. Baba. Whoever burns incense at this, my Guru's tomb, under Gode Neem after cleaning it with cow-dung at sunset on Thursdays and Friday's, will obtain the bliss of God.
    (e) Baba encourages worship of his picture also
    165. S.B. Dhumal was taking Baba's large size framed picture, past the mosque. Baba called out to him.
    B.: Bhav, come here.   What is this?
    S.B.D.: You are here.
    B.: Give it lo me.
    Then Baba took it from SBD., gazed at it on all sides and returned it.
    Baba: Keep it.
    SBD kept this picture and worshipped it all his life.


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    « Reply #38 on: September 05, 2006, 06:00:49 PM »
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  • Baba is in the picture that is worshipped
    166. Bala Bua Sutar, Bhajanakar of Bombay came for the first time to Shirdi in 1917 and bowed to Baba.
    Baba, addressing someone: I have known this man since four years.
    Bala Bua wondered, as he had never met Baba before; but he recollected that four years previously he had prostrated himself before Baba's portrait at Bombay, (c.f. Shama seeing B's portrait at Gaya).
    Faith Baba Strengthens faith in Gods etc. c-g.
    167. Baba:       (1) Megha, draw Trisul
    (2)   "   worship this linga
    (3)    "   worship all the village Gods before you come to worship me.
    168. Nachne, go to Deopur, and worship the stones your forefathers worshipped.
    169.  Shama, go to Sapta Sringi and present your silver nipples to the Vani Devi.
    170. Khusa Bhav, go and see a person with three faces. (i.e. Datta)
    171. Rao Bahadur M.W. Pradhan-You can bring in Ganapati for worship.


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    Re: Sri Sai Babas Charters and Sayings
    « Reply #39 on: September 06, 2006, 08:12:44 PM »
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  • IMAGE WORSHIP
    172. Bandra lady came and sat before baba with chronic (7 years) headache.
    Baba (touching and gently stroking her head): Your head is aching. Is it not?
    BL: It was. Now it has ceased.
    (The chronic headache left her at once and for-ever)
    Baba: You have been feeding me so well these years.
    BL: I am seeing you only now.
    Baba: But I have been seeing you ever since your infancy.
    BL was greatly puzzled.
    Baba: What worship had you in your house?
    BL: Ganapathy’s
    Baba: In your mother’s house?
    BL: Ganapathy. I have given all flowers fruits and eatables to ganapathy.
    Baba: All that has come to me. So since your girlhood I have been seeing you.
    173. BL: Baba, people say that my Ganapathy is right handed and besides, one hand is broken and so they say it must be thrown away. Is that right?
    Baba: If your child breaks its arm, will you cast it into water? Worship it daily.
    [Baba: Mother, I have to visit your house thrice a day, Then follows the conversation in No.76 ante)
    76   (BL: Yes, Baba
    A local lady was astonished at this statement as she saw Baba daily at Shirdi, and said “Baba what is this strange thing you say?
    Saibaba: I do not speak falsehood. I am Mahalaxmi. Mother I came to your house. You give me things to eat, is that not true?
    BL: Yes, Baba
    Shirdi Lady: Truly, does Baba go to you and do you feed him?
    BL: Yes.
    Baba to Master T: Do I not come to your house?
    Master T: Yes, baba.
    Saibaba to Shirdi Lady: Yes, mother, I go easily to Bhav’s house (I,e., Bhav’s house at Bandra). In the middle, there is a wall, Jumping over it, next comes the railway line, and then Bhav’s house. (Here Baba described the crow’s flight from Shirdi to the lady’s house at bandra).  I have to fly across walls and excavations.)


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    « Reply #40 on: September 07, 2006, 08:31:45 PM »
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  • 174: CONSERVATISM, DO NOT CHANGE IMAGES
    Once Kavle Patil with his Mamladdar, B.V. Dev went to Baba and through Shama wanted to know from Baba whether in a temple newly built by Kavle he should reinstal the old image or bring in a new image from Vani, has directed by his own Guru.
    Shama: Baba. Kavle Patil wants to know what he is to instal in his newly built temple.
    Baba: Let him place only the ancient stones that his family has been worshipping from old time and no new image.
    Shama: What objection is there to a new image from Vani?
    Baba: Act as you please, Shama. Instal it or don’t.
    Shama: Please say definetely whether the Vani image can be or should not be installed.
    Baba: If he wants that image, let him break off its arms and legs and then instal and worship it. Do not question me again and again. I once went with a companion from village to village. He wanted to buy a cow. I said, “Don’t”. But he did buy it and brought it to a village. There an epidemic broke out and many died.
    Shama, later in the day: Baba, what harm will arise if the image is brought?
    Baba: Let him worship the old stones and introduce nothing new.
    Shama: What is the harm in introducing the new?
    Baba: (Angrily): I am speaking with my mouth and not through anything else.
    Kavle Patil had no faith in Baba, but great faith in his own guru and so brought the Vani image to the guru’s village. There plague broke out and many died. The guru (who had already received Rs.300 or Rs.400) more over sent a message to the Patil that unless he gave a registered gift of his land to the guru, the latter would curse him to immediate death. The Patil woke up, discovered the unselfishness and wisdom of Baba and wickedness of his own guru and installed only his own hereditary images.


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    « Reply #41 on: September 08, 2006, 09:15:31 PM »
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  • SADHANA III- GURU
    (Sai's Former Guru's Mahima)
    175. Baba himself described how he met his guru: Once myself and three others were studying our Pothi, Puran and other works and discussed how we were to get realisation.
    One said we should depend on ourselves (and not on a guru) for Gita says raise your self.
    A second said the main thing is to make the mind selfcontrolled, free from thoughts and doubts. It is we who are in everything, everywhere.
    A Third.: The form (i.e. in phenomena) is ever changing. The formless is unchanging. So we must always be making Vichara i.e., distinguishing between Nitya and Anitya.
    The fourth (S.B.) disliked bookish knowledge, "Let is do our prescribed duty," he said, "and surrender our body, speech and life to a guru, who is all pervading.   Faith in him is the thing needful.
    As we rambled through the forest, we met a Vanajari (a caste that carried salt, grain etc.) who asked us "where are you going in this heat into the forest?" We gave no direct reply. He kindly warned us from getting into the trackless woods—and that needlessly. He bade us share his food.
    We disdained his advice and marched on.
    But   in   that  vast   and  dense   wood,   we  lost  our  way
    That man met us again and said that by relying on our own cleverness, we had got into a wrong way and that a guiding finger is needed to show the way. "Do not despise offers of food. Such offers ate auspicious signs of success in one's endeavour," he said and he again invited us to take food with him. Again we declined it and went away. I soon felt hungry and I went and accepted a bit of bread and ate it and drank some water.
    The   Guru   came   then   and   said, "What   was   your dispute?" and I told him all our talk.    The others left him and did not care  for  him. But I reverently bowed   to him.    Then he took me to a well tied up my legs with a rope, and   suspended   me, head   downwards, from a   tree by a side of the well. My head was about three feet off the  water,   which  I  could  not   reach.     And  my guru  left me  there  and went away-God  knows where. He returned after 4 or 5 hours and asked me how I fared.     "In great bliss   was   my   time   passed"-!   answered.      The   Guru, mightily pleased with me, drew  me  near  him,  passed  his palm   over   my   head   and   body   and   spoke   to   me   tender words dripping with love, and he put me into his school -where I entirely forgot my father and mother and all attachments and desires.
    I loved to gaze at him. If he were not there to see. I would not like to have eyes at all. I did not wish to go back. I forgot all other things but the Guru. My life was concentrated in my sight and my sight in him. That was the object of my meditation. In silence, I bowed.
    Meaning i.e., Realisation flashed upon me, of itself without effort or study-purely by his grace.
    Guru's grace is our only sadhana. JNANA comes as experience (or in its wake).


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  • Guru needed
    176. A devotee: Baba, where is one to go?
    B.: Above this.
    D.: What is the way?
    B.: There are plenty of ways proceeding from each place. For you, here is this way, leading hence. But the way is rugged. There are tigers and bears on the route.
    H.S.Dixit: But Baba, if one has a guide with him, then?
    B.: If one has a guide with him, then there is no difficulty. Then, the tigers and bears move aside. If there is no guide, there is a deep yawning pit on the way,and there is the danger of falling into it.
    (Here "Guide" - "Guru," and 'Pit1- "Hell")
    177- B.: Stick to your own Guru with unabated faith, whatever the merits of other Gurus and however little the merits of your own.
    Pant, we must not give up attachment to our own Guru but be ever firmly resting in him and in him alone.


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    « Reply #43 on: September 11, 2006, 06:15:25 PM »
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  • BABA ON "VENKUSA" The Guru of this birth
    178. "For 12 years I waited on my Guru who is peerless and loving. How can I describe his love to Me? When he was DYANASTHA, (i.e., in love-trance) I sat and gazed at him. We were both filled with Bliss. I cared not to turn my eye upon anything else. Night and day I pored upon his face with an ardour of love that banished hunger and thirst. The Guru's absence for a second made me restless. I meditated on nothing but the Guru, and had no goal, or object, other than the Guru. Unceasingly fixed upon him was my mind. Wonderful indeed, the art of my Guru! I wanted nothing but the Guru and he wanted nothing but this intense love from me. Apparently inactive, he never neglected me, but always protected me by his glance. That Guru never blew any mantra into my ear. By his grace, I attained to my present state. Making the Guru the sole object of one's thoughts and aims one attains Paramartha, the Supreme Goal. This is the only truth the Guru taught me. The four Sadhanas and Six Sastras are not necessary. Trusting in the Guru fully is enough


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  • That is the only Sadhana
    My fakir's wife left me with 'Venkusa' at Selu, stayed with him 12 years, and left Selu.
    178.A
    This Brick (which Baba always lovingly used to support his arm or head) is my Guru’s gift, my life companion. It is not the brick that is broken now-but my Karma (prarabdha) is that has snapped. I cannot survive the breaking of the brick.
    (Baba said this early in October 1918 when Madhav Fasle lifted the brick and carelessly allowed it to fall, whereby it broke into two. Baba seeing the broken pieces expressed his grief and spoke as above.)
    179. Baba: Nana, I am not angry with you. You my children can be angry with me. If Venkusa were alive I could be angry with him.
    180. One should not stay in any place, where saints are (or one’s Guru is) ill-spoken of.

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