fate or guru?

[sumesh]

Hi this is my first letter in this fourm. I was a devotee of saibaba for nearly 15 years. but my belief in him was on and off. sometimes i will fully immerse in him some times not. But the misiries in my life completely turned me to question baba in life. Now i do not have the trust in him what i had earlier. finally i decided to cut this relationship last thrusday and randomnly read a page from sai satcharita, it was saying to read parayana for one week. i took it as an instruction and sarted parayana.but 2days before finishing i stopped reading with sparing 4 chapters. in one of the chapter baba is saying to his devotee that "when ur bad karma is over then i will consider you are belssed till then you will suffer". if this is the case then what baba can do in a person's life when his bad karma is not over. Those who are devotees now are because of their experience in life, that made them trust in baba. but if a person is suffering miseries throuout his life how can he have trust in life unless he is some supernatural creation by birth like kabir,vivekananda or sankaracharya? baba says "nothing will move without my grace" not even a leaf. then what am i should think that the baba is behind all my sufferings or it is my bad karma?if it is baba, then why he want to see his children suffering? if it is my bad karma then what is the need of god or guru in life, if he is just a witness in his devotees sufferings?in future if reached a good life is it because of baba or my good karma? i am 29 now. more than 15 years i have been with baba and the more i tried to throw him from by mind because of frustruation in my life the more faster he come back to my life.like baba says"it is not possible to find god with empty stomatch". it is not possible to love with a painful mind.

Hope anybody will clarify my doubts. please do not throw this as junk  mail.
regards

sumesh

[Swetha Suresh]

Sai Ram

Sumesh ji

Welcome to this Sai's blessed mandir.... to Start of let me ask yu why did you feel this article should be thrown in the junk box ?what you have writeen has been written many times here and we all feel that we  have surrendered with full faith and devotion to our almighty sai ...Please do feel  free to share your experiences and thoughts on devotion be it sai devotion or any other make yourself at home..... we are all a part of a beautiful family the Sai family...

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Enjoy this new family and keep posting ...
Sai Ram

[Kavitaparna]

OM SRI SAI RAM

Dear Sumesh Ji, Sai Ram!

Welcome to this forum of Sai family.

Your questions very much contain the answers within themselves.

If you need detailed explanations, analyse your own "experiences - BAD AND GOOD ONES AS WELL". You will be contented and convinced with them thoroughly.

Baba make our love and devotion stronger.


Om Sri  Sai Ram!  Om Sri  Sai Ram!  Om Sri  Sai Ram!  Om Sri  Sai Ram!  Om Sri  Sai Ram!
Om Sri  Sai Ram!  Om Sri  Sai Ram!  Om Sri  Sai Ram!  Om Sri  Sai Ram!  Om Sri  Sai Ram!
Om Sri  Sai Ram!  Om Sri  Sai Ram!  Om Sri  Sai Ram!  Om Sri  Sai Ram!  Om Sri  Sai Ram!

kavita

[mukti]

Dear sumesh ji,
   dont bring negative thoughts in your mind.only baba is a great narrator of this world,who will suggest u always right ways in your life.keep faith in him.
 om sachidanand sadguru sainath maharaj ki jay
             mukti

[sumesh]

Dear all,

Thank you for your kind words and it helped me to some extent. From the last 6 years,when i lost my father i throwed all my books, photos of saibaba in to my father's cremation fire in the night with frustration. But when i came for a job in bangalore i saw big picture of saibaba near to my apartment. From there onwards he started pulling me towards him. i slowly started visiting his temple nearby. i will fight with baba frequently,will throw his books and idols and will try to throw away his thoughts from my mind. But within two days without even my knowledge his name will slowly come to my tongue, i will start meditate keeping in mind to concentrate myself than baba, but his image will slowly come to my mind even if it try to throw away the thought he will not go. what are allthese shows? he will not leave me even if i want to?

Hope somebody will reply

regards
sumesh

sumesh

[Radhey]

SaiRam SumeshJi,

This is my first posting in this forum as I just registered.

     After reading your post I don't know why but I felt like praying to BaBa  in helping you find answers to your so many questions.  I came across the below article from "Sai Vichaar" (MARCH 25, 1999 Volume 1, Issue 44)  which I felt like posting here.  

"If everything is predisposed, and what one gets is according to his karma, why not just accept it? How does the loving mother of a charming infant dying of cancer could accept this thought? How could a good natured, responsible, guileless individual witnessing his downward spiral in sincere pursuit consent to this concept? While contentment with what one possesses is one of the dimensions of spiritual growth, restlessness, dejection, and disappointment is equally important stage of human growth on the spiritual lines. After all, human minds are oriented towards responding to its environment, both good and bad. Naturally!"

"Shri Hemadpanth narrates a wonderful incident in Sri Sai Satcharitha. Bhimaji Patil was a patient suffering from tuberculosis. He was advised by Nanasaaheb Chandorkar to resort Baba's feet for a relief from the dreaded disease. Let us read what Hemadpanth wrote about this episode: "Relying on Mr. Nanasaaheb's advice, he made preparations for going to Shirdi. He was brought to Shirdi, taken to the Masjid, and placed before Baba. Mr. Nanasaaheb and Shama (Madhavrao Deshpande) were then present. Baba pointed out that the disease was due to the previous evil karma and was not at firstly disposed to interfere. But the patient cried out in despair that he was helpless, and sought refuge in Him as He was his last hope and prayed for mercy. Then Baba's heart melted and He said, "Stay, cast off your anxiety, your sufferings have come to an end. However oppressed and troubled one may be, as soon as he steps in the masjid, he is on the path to happiness. The Fakir here is very kind and he will cure the disease, and protect all with love and kindness". The patient vomited blood every five minutes, but there was no vomiting in the presence of Baba" (Sai Satcharitha, Chapter XIII). The patient was eventually cured of the disease."

"My coffers are open. Ask, Ye shall be given". So, ask! Ask for the self, for the kith and kin, ask with devotion, and ask with love. The unique Saint of Shirdi is the rarest of its kind who supports asking for material possession. However, natural course for such a pursuit is to realize the limitedness of mundane possessions in giving perennial happiness. This should automatically stimulate one to take a careful look at what the Master said. If not today, some day, for our soul's sake!"

SumeshJi, May BaBa Guide You and Bring Peace within you to see His Light

Om Sai Sri Sai Jaya Jaya Sai
Bless Us All
LoVe YoU BaBu
Radhey

[Kavitaparna]

OM SRI SAI RAM

Dear Sumesh, Sai Ram!

I felt very sorry to read that you lost your father at a very young age of 23 which is a formative age - yet to be settled and build up a career. That is the age when you really feel the need of a friend in a father, all the more and always. I mean till that age, we are more attached to mothers - till completion of education. Planning of career, important decisions are usually taken in consent with father though, mother continues to remain the primary person for any one - ofcourse, till the end. Infact, one of my relatives aged 58, always needs her father for taking any important decision. That is why they are called parents for ever and we are children for ever.

Your acts of throwing the books, photos etc., are certainly justifying even from Baba's angle. It was your grief, frustration and sorrow which have done those acts and not the ACTUAL YOU.

But, what Baba can do if something had to happen ? You might have read SSC and there are many devotees who have served Baba personally and their lives ended right in front of Baba.

Were they not blessed devotees ?
Did their souls not rest in peace at Baba’s lotus feet ?
Did Baba not love them?

Love, affection, devotion are all like air, water and food for any one to lead a dharmic life.

We are able to feel only onething that Baba has taken your father away from you. But we may not be knowing whether your father had already taken a better birth or relieved from this cycle of births and rebirths or may be that the task for which he had come here is fulfilled that he had been called back.

Unless and until the debts are fully repaid, no one would be called back. The ‘Jiva’ remains in this body till all the accounts are settled and it will not stay even for a second once the accounts that are supposed to be settled in this present form of body. For settling some more accounts, the same ‘Jiva’ takes another body after leaving this present body – just like us changing the clothes daily. This goes on and on until the Jiva identifies himself as the manifestation of Paramatma – the God – which is self realisation. Jiva is none other than the mirror image of Pramatma.

Six years have already passed. Baba knows very well that you are his sweet child and infact, he knows that you need him. Moreover, Baba wants to take you into his lap and compensate the loss of your father. Try to see your father in Baba.

When a child is not agreement with what the parents propose / suggest, what does it do? It goes away from the elders for a while.... hides in a corner....seeks solace somewhere else eg. friends. But, after some time it has to return to the same parents either convinced or with an alternate proposal. Same way, even though we are angry with our Baba for a while, we have to return to him. Afterall, our relation with Baba did not start or does not end with this birth alone. We have been with him for the past several births which otherwise, we would have not even known his name.

Yes OR No?

Being with Baba is our birth right. Fighting / quarelling with Baba gives me too a lot of pleasure. You can fight / argue with your father for a cricket bat but you can not get even ten paise if you do so with your friend’s father. Why? We have no right there. If someone else gives us it is mercy. If our father gives, it is our right. Baba is our father. We have a right to love, fight, weep in his lap and be with him.

The answers for the questions raised by you in your first post are readily available in SSC. Please do parayan. You will derive peace definitely. If not, this sister is ready to serve you with the answers. By analyzing you will surely not only get the answers, but also will feel enlightened which takes you away from the present grief and that is the need of this hour. Once you are clear, you will enjoy your life a lot in the lap of our father - Baba.

Baba bless this brother with lots of love and peace. Baba pl shower all the choicest blessings on this small brother. He needs you a lot at this very moment.


Om Sri Sai Ram! Om Sri Sai Ram! Om Sri Sai Ram! Om Sri Sai Ram! Om Sri Sai Ram!
Om Sri Sai Ram! Om Sri Sai Ram! Om Sri Sai Ram! Om Sri Sai Ram! Om Sri Sai Ram!
Om Sri Sai Ram! Om Sri Sai Ram! Om Sri Sai Ram! Om Sri Sai Ram! Om Sri Sai Ram!

kavita

[alps07]

Sai Ram,

We suffer due our own Karmas and our own desires. We seldom just ask for the love and grace of Baba.

Baba love is like mothers love. He suffers when we suffer. He takes away so much sufferings from us and we never know about it. We behave in childish manner and keep crying and brooding over our little mind desires. I personally feel the care of Baba when in times of troubles. It seems to me that he is with me supporting me. and when ever i am in much trouble i either sit in front of Baba or read Sai SatCharitra and ask only for his Love and Grace, which pacifies our troubled mind.

And even feel grateful afterwards because the tough times gave me opportunity to meditate on Baba with greater intensity and was with Baba's grace for long. I feel it was due to myself getting lost in worldly affairs and  illusive affairs so that Baba brought back to Him, which is the only truth. Since so many days, there i nothing but Baba's grace in my mind. This is what i earned after passing thru those tough times. I am even writing my experiences on the blog so that more devotees of Baba can know and benefit from it.

[Kavitaparna]

OM SRI SAI RAM

Sumesh ji, Sai Ram!

Welcome back dear brother! I am happy that you started chanting 'sai' 'sai'...ah! such a lovely name.

Don't worry! Baba is not just a witness to our karmicexperiences.
HERE YOU HEAR OUR BABA's WORDS FROM HIS MOUTH - THE PEARLS FROM HIS MOUTH.

"Tell him to be fearless. Why should he suffer for ten births? In ten days he can work out the sufferings and consequences of his past Karma. While I am here to give him temporal and spiritual welfare, why should he pray for death? Bring him here on somebody's back and let us work and finish his sufferings once for all".

IS IT NOW CLEAR TO YOU WHY WE SHOULD PRAY BABA!

If we are to face all the consequences, we can as well do it sitting in a corner and weeping all the time. Baba has an answer for every problem of ours.

HAVE FAITH. READ GOOD BOOKS WHEN UR MIND WAVERS.
IF YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE READING, IS MANDIR ME AAJAYA KARO ALWLAYS /DAILY. BAHUT PEACE MILENGA AAPKO YAHAN PAR.

BABA BLESS U ALWAYS. BE WITH BABA ALWAYS. THEN SEE HOW THE THINGS HAPPEN.

OM SRI SAI RAM

[Kavitaparna]

OM SRI SAI RAM

Sumesh ji, Sai Ram

Firstly, tell me onething. Did you cry it out totally when U lost Ur dad ? If not, pl do that now sitting infront of your Dad’s photo. That will first make Ur heat lighter.

I can feel from Ur posts that your heart is very heavy and that has originated due to loss of your dear Dad. I think you are yet to be 25 and you are telling life has become mechanical which is not a healthy sign. Read good books. Start adding colour to your life by adapting some hobby.  Mix up with friends. Go to baba’s temple (not all alone) along with other devotee friends.

You – as sumesh - are not going to Sai temple for telling him your sorrows. You are going there to seek happiness from Baba. First, when you go to Baba / when you see Baba, don’t start telling him your problems. This I am telling for U only. Beocz, this beomes like a revision of your past to your ownself from the pain of which you want to come out. Instead, search for that peace and happiness in the presence of Sai. As a start, you speak with Baba the same way you talk to your Dad sharing everything with him. I hope U got what I
mean.

There are NO chances that baba didnt like you ..or for that matter anyone…
He is the incarnation of Love. The word ‘dislike’ is not in his Dictionary.  There is no need for any one to point out your mistakes since there are no mistakes. The only thing is you should come out of your present thinking. Baba’s presence NEVER disappears. You are not feeling his presence THAT’S ALL. You went into your shell and you need to open up. First go back to those days when you were a kid,about 6-7years. Now too,notice his eyes with curiosity.
The turmoil in the past few years has indeed NOT changed you in the least; you are not attempting to come out of it and thus got a feeling that Sai also dejected you.
 
Sai will never deject you - The oceans / seas may send the rivers back; the Sun may rise in the west and your own mother may disown you. Sai will NEVER deject any one.

“How can a person know that baba considered him as his devotee? in SSC i come across a person's experience:that baba didnt allow a foreigner to come and meet him and made him sit outside the masjid saying that 'Lord is not allowing me to do so'. Why is it so”?  This was your doubt no.

When do we go to temple? When it is open OR whenever we want the temple to be open We go to temples and sometimes may wait for hours to get a glimpse of darshan of the God and believe heart and soul that that glimpse alone does wonders for us. If that is the case, how can one go and demand in an odd hour that the temple should be opened since he/she has no other time ?
Becoz, that foreigner wanted Baba to hurry thru his routine and make time for him, in response to his uncomparable ego (which is due to his official / financial position) he was denied of entry into Dwarakamai. What a selfishness? He actually came to baba for want of blessings that he gets children? Finally, he the foreigner was the looser. Causative is his ego, high headedness that too infront of the God.

Pl bid a good bye to Sorrows and invite a hearty welcome to Sai.

One of my dearest brothers has given me a golden quote.


Don’t tell sai how big your problem is
Tell the problem how big your sai is.

Pl make a small attempt from your side

If You walk one step towards Sai , Sai takes 10 steps towards you
Baba bless U always and be with you Sumesh ji.

[sureshsarat]

Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Om Sri Sainathaya Namaha
Dearest kavitaji Sairam
I am thrilled seeing your replies.
You are such a nice person. We are blessed.
Thanks
Suresh