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Main Section => Your Experience with Sai Baba => Topic started by: child_of_sai on January 17, 2010, 08:05:05 AM
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When I read experiences of some devotees, I cannot help but wonder: Are they worshiping Baba or themselves? Their accounts come across as highly exaggerated that are hard to digest for ordinary mortals like me. Without naming anyone, I would like to warn such devotees not to lie so blatantly on this forum. I've been reading experiences of one particular devotee (I withhold the name for obvious reasons). Her self-worship is obvious beyond doubt. Remember this song whenever you feel the urge to boast/brag/exaggerate about your experiences:
Sajjan re jhooth mat bolo
Khuda ke paas jaana hai
Na haathi hai na goda hai
Wahan paidal hee jaana hai
Please don't lie....You have to give account for every word that you utter to Baba one day...Remember it well that you can fool some people some of the time...but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
Baba please take care of such devotees who shake my faith in the goodness of human beings...
Sai Ram.
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The moral of the story is that one has to reap what one sows, and there is no escape unless one suffers and squares up one's old debts and dealings with others, and that greed for money drags the greedy man to the lowest level and ultimately brings destruction on him and others.
Baba,As child_of_sai said if really theres anyone please correct them or else if we are blind that we are not able to understand you and your leelas,please make us open your eyes.
Om Sai Sri Sai Jaya Jaya Sai.
Om Sai Sri Sai Jaya Jaya Sai.
Om Sai Sri Sai Jaya Jaya Sai.
Om Sai Sri Sai Jaya Jaya Sai.
Om Sai Sri Sai Jaya Jaya Sai.
Om Sai Sri Sai Jaya Jaya Sai.
Omkar.
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It is all leela of Sai, Dear. Without his permission no one can narrate anything about his mercy or leela. It is just love of devotees to exaggerate the thinks, if they do. Even if they don't do, Won't make any difference. also It is human nature to accept someone form of God on his power to make miracles happen. Bigger Miracles, Bigger God. Many Miracles, Many Devotees. But, Human can’t be blamed for this, as they don’t have true judgment power or to use their inner eye to feel the divine aura of their Guru.
Sai, is above all this. God have come on this planet, only twice (as per my belief), First Kabir Ji and Then Sai Baba. People don’t know much about Kabir Ji except he was a poet, as he showed the real path of divine life in very simple manner. Sai was in different role as Man for the whole mankind.
If people appreciate the power of Sun, It won’t make any difference in heat or temperature of Sun. Sun will remain what it is, Sun.
and about experiences of devotees, It is all personal. Sai does not have any limit. People who are blessed, Know this truth. Can you believe when one devotee struck in rain with problem in car, Sai himself rushed to help to fix his car in mud all over. Not so old, Just three or four months back. Can you believe one who had no hope left to live, and almost dead, indifferent from family and work, Return to the world with great change. Millions of such experiences, People are living with. For some people these might be stories, But who have blind faith on Sai, Sai makes their faith true. All depends on level of faith. and this is beyond all logics.
and, Yes for this I do agree with you, In narrating one should not mix reality with imaginations, But, again It is love of devotees for their beloved lord.
and as concerned to making “I” bigger with the same of Sai. Only Sai allows if “I” becomes part of “saI”, otherwise what to say about years, in days everything disappears as a bubble in the water. and Don’t think any sin in the world of spirituality in easily forgiven able. Punishment differs from the sins committed in ordinary world to make someone suffer many times.
Once someone told, some people just copy paste chanting in prayer. I didn’t believe. To whom impress, Sai who knows even what we don’t know about ourselves. If someone does, It is just fooling ourselves.
At Last, How faith of a child can be shacked from his father. after all You are “Child of Sai”. Be firm on faith. Connect people with the divine name of Sai.
May Sai Bless All! Heal All!
om sri sai ram!
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Theres no point in shaking the faith of a devotee.As saib said "If people appreciate the power of Sun, It won’t make any difference in heat or temperature of Sun. Sun will remain what it is, Sun"
Baba is watching all. Lets leave to him.
Now let us believe in the name of SaiBaba nothing else.Let us be blind in believeing.Let us close our eyes and see him in the innerself.My baba can do anything to anyone.
Om Sai Sri Sai Jaya Jaya Sai.
Om Sai Sri Sai Jaya Jaya Sai.
Om Sai Sri Sai Jaya Jaya Sai.
Omkar.
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sadly, saib ji and omkarsai ji, you didn't understand me...my faith in Baba can never shake....it is the faith in human beings in this kaliyug,, who are driven by their ego, that gets shaken....more specifically, when some devotee goes on and on praising herself in every post of hers, instead of praising Baba....i call that 'displacement'....she displaces Baba by glorifying herself and her devotion and virtues....i feel sick reading her posts of self-aggrandisement....bragging, boasting....call it anything...but it is not devotion brothers....it is worshipping one's EGO......yes, Baba knows everything....so i leave her to His judgment...and will avoid opening her posts now on....
Sai Ram.
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Hi child_of_sai ji,
I didn't say anything about your faith.I said though one does wrong or right, the faith of the devotee like us (all the devotees in the forum)wont shake by that .I included me also with you and so am saying "us".
I can understand you.But only thing is lets leave that now to baba as we are just humans and cannot decide anything.
Even if that is right or wrong,Let that not matter to us.As you already know,Baba is with us and we will be just with him with out thinking of anything.
Omkar
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omkarsai ji, i understand what you say...yes Baba is the ultimate judge of our doings...i'll keep my eyes on Him alone...and will avoid reading unsettling posts ... :)
Sai Baba.
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Dear child_of_sai ji,
Baba said 'Let someone speak hundred of things against you, do not resent by giving bitter replies". Most of us know what you said is true. The bitter replies of that devotee must have hurt you. You kept quiet, even when she 'pitied' you, and wanted Baba to 'show you light'. As if she was already an enlightened soul. She has the support of senior devotees on this forum. Nobody likes to hear truth here. When I read the following words of the devotee's experience, I hung my head in utter embarrassment. I wonder how can any true disciple of Baba support and praise such delusional words of imagination:
"I HAD GOT WHAT SOULS TAKE HUNDREDS OF BIRTHS FOR.. WHAT SOULS THRIVE TO ACHIEVE IN THE END.. ..... IN JUST ONE MOMENT. IT WAS A FEELING THAT NO HUMAN CAN DESCRIBE IN WORDS. HOW CAN ONE DESCRIBE HOW IT FEELS TO REALISE GOD?? EVERYTHING CHANGED FOR ME. EVERYTHING CHANGED FOREVER!! I DIDN’T WANT GOWTHAM ANYMORE. BABA HAD TAKEN MY SOUL AND LIBERATED IT FOREVER. THE PUJARI GAVE ME A SHAWL FROM BABAS SAMADHI AND SAID KEEP THIS IN YOUR SHRINE. WE DONT GIVE THIS TO ANY HUMAN. I WAS GIVEN 6 PACKETS OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF SWEETS KEPT IN ABBAS PRASAD ON HIS SAMADHI. I WAS GIVEN PACKETS AND PACKETS OF UDI. I WAS GIVEN A HUGE ROSE FROM BABAS HEAD. ALL THIS WHEN NO BODY WAS THERE. ALL THE PUBLIC WAS ALREADY REMOVED. I WAS ALONE, WITH MY AUNT AND THE TEMPLE PPL. AND I SAT THERE WITH ALL THESE ITEMS IN THE MY SHAWL SOBBING FOR ALMOST AN HOUR OUT OF THAT MUCH HAPPINESS. AND THEY TOLD ME I GOT WHAT CRORES OF DEVOTEES HAVE TRIED FOR BUT NEVER GOT."
I suggest that you must seek Baba in your heart, Do not waste your time on this forum.
Om Sai Baba,
fakir.
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Hi fakir ji.
I request all please stop discussing this and please dont take names.
As already said in this thread Baba is watching and we people should stop judging.If you have anything good in her thread,Please take it else leave it.The devotess who felt happy readng experiences will gain more faith.That is all.
and Its not a political party so that its good to have the support of eperienced devotees.
Please understand I am not supportig any one.Either you or Suchi.I am just saying stop judging.
and also I request any of the moderators To lock this post as further discussions will be of no use on this topic.
Om Sai Sri Sai Jaya Jaya Sai.
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and fakir ji,
Please dont think my post is some thing against you.
I felt it is not good to us in discussing and theres no use in it.
Sorry If my words hurt you.and also Sorry to suchi If my words hurt you.
Om Sai Sri Sai Jaya Jaya Sai.
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Dear Suchi
First of all I want to apologize to you.When i read your experience yesterday night I felt like you were just bragging and lying about everything and I felt that how is all this possible for a common person who went to Shirdi, that the security guards did not stop her from entering to places where people are not allowed to enter or sit at places where baba used to sit etc.I myself am one of those people who sent my prayers to you to be taken to Shirdi but still when i read your post i felt that how is it possible.(I am very selfish.I want others to take my wishes to baba but I dont trust the person who is taking my prayers ).I am sorry Suchi.
But after reading all the posts in this thread where big devottes of baba like Child_Of_saiJi, Fakirji, SaibJi, Omkar and you have written, I feel that most of my doubts have gone away.i feel that nothing is impossible for God so these experiences can also happen.All that is needed is firm faith in God.I can now imagine how happy you are to have such great experiences in life. You are really blessed :-)
Dear Child_of_saiji and fakirJi please dont think that i have written anything against you.I am myself struggling through a tough time in my life and my faith in God dwindles daily but its because of the experiences of few blessed souls, that i am able to feel that God really is there and is doing miracles, and these experiences help people like me to believe in God with a hope that some day if my faith is strong enough, some miracle will happen in my life too.
Om Sai Ram
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Dear Brothers and Sisters,
We all love Sai, Still different opinions. With respect for all feelings, You know why we think like this. Just to share my own feelings. When I joined the forum, I was not in much good condition. Slowly got better and then real game began. Thought myself so close to sai, when read posts of other devotees claiming their rights on Sai. I felt hurt, Sai is mine, How others could love him. Just felt insecure, If their love for Sai would be more than mine. Won’t Sai leave me. After great sufferings and pain, met with Sai. It was so painful even to think. But, with time felt, No , They too love Sai and might be much more than me Now reading such post does not cause pain any more. Sai is of all. For all. All live their individual relations with Sai.
Second, Some devotees use much “I” , but if you go on post after post, you will notice significant change in each and every post. gradually “I” started disappearing and feel like “Sai”. Such a grace of Sai. People forget their sufferings, pain and desire for worldly love when they receive the divine blessings of Sai.
As thinking about limit of experiences, in the world of Sai everything is possible. Sai always fulfill pure wishes of his devotees. Just as today, I thought How beautiful Sai would be if wore pink dress. and on my route, Saw Sai (A beautiful Idol under tree) was in Pink dress. What more to Say.
Like in the Temple, All come through different modes, some by Bus, some by scooter/bike/cycle/rickshaw, some by car (Maruti to BMW), But for Sai all are equal. if one who is in luxury car feel bad about one who is in cheap clothes or coming by cycle and same if one who comes through by Bus, feel jealous for a car owner. Both emotions are bad in the sight of sai. as Sai never discriminate among devotees. He loves all.
So, keep on chanting Sai Sai Sai forgetting all and loving sai as per own faith…………..!
Sai is of all for All! Sai is All! All is Sai!
om sri sai ram!
and Suchi for you:
this message is for all who feel i have lied or exaggerated.. all i wanna say is this.. i know what i experienced.. my god knows it.. i need give no explanation to none. by doubting what i wrote u ppl are doubting the power of the one who manages life of billions of species. and i feel dat nowhere i ahve praised myself.. in every line of mine i have mentioned what sai did for and how im indebted to him for life.. and how he turned a monster like me into a good human..
secondly.. i did not want to post my exp at all... i didnt even have energy for it.. but i wrote it all with babas help and begged him dat dont let everyone read it.. only those who will understand its true menaing.. i dunno why he let u read it if u dont understand it ... mayb some day u will.. i will wait for his leela to unfold and u to see the truth... i truly hope baba shows u light... i will not reply here again.
About your experience, One had already same experience and only that guided you in some mattters, When one enters in the world of Sai, Sai takes complete charge whom he loves, even emotions and thoughts. That’s the power of Sai. You are really blessed Soul. Rest let time reveal.
om sai ram!
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Om Sai Ram.
As Baba wants it, here are some excerpts from Shri Sai Satcharitra for dear Sai Bandhus:
"Hearing this Baba got excited and with His hands threw away the earthen jars and kolamba and straightway advanced to the Haji and lifting His Kafni up with His hands said - "Why do you brag and fancy yourself great and pose yourself as an old Haji? Do you read Koran like this? You are proud of your pilgrimage to Macca, but you do not know Me."
"Baba did not attend to their complaint. On the contrary, Baba took the villagers to task, and asked them to mind their own business, and not the Rohilla. He said to them that the Rohilla had got a very bad wife, a Zantippi, who tried to come in and trouble the Rohilla and Himself; but hearing the Rohilla’s prayers, she dare not enter and they were at peace and happy. In fact, the Rohilla had no wife and by his wife Baba meant DURBUDDHI, i.e. bad thoughts. As Baba liked prayers and cries to God better than anything else, He took the side of the Rohilla, and asked the villagers to wait and suffer the nuisance, which would abate in due course."
"There was some discussion and altercation and it was finally decided that both the Guru and Chela should return to Shirdi. And so they returned and lived in shirdi. But after a few days the Guru was tested by Devidas and he was found wanting. Twelve years before Baba arrived in Shirdi with the marriage-party, this Devidas aged about 10 or 11 came to Shirdi and lived in the Maruti temple. Devidas had fine features and brilliant eyes, and he was dispassion incarnate and a Jnani. Many persons, namely Tatya Kote, Kashinath and others regarded, him as their Guru. They brought Javhar Ali in his presence, and in the discussion that followed, Javhar was worsted and fled from Shirdi. He went and stayed in Bijapur and returned after many years to Shirdi, and prostrated himself before Sai Baba. The delusion that he was Guru and Sai Baba his Chela, was cleared away, and as he repented, Sai Baba treated him with respect. In this case Sai Baba showed by actual conduct how one should get rid of egoism and do the duties of a disciple to attain the highest end, viz., self-realization".
"This discussion, with all its pros and cons went on for an hour or so, and as usual no decision was arrived at. We had to stop the discussion ultimately as we were exhausted. The net result of this was that I lost my peace of mind and found that unless there is strong body-consciousness and egoism, there would be no discussion; in other words, it is egoism which breeds discussion."
Without meaning to side with anyone, I wonder why gomisuchi ji felt that child_of_sai ji had written about her in the first place. In fact, when I read the request of child_of_sai ji, I thought it was a general request, not meant for anyone specifically. When one's conscience is clear, one does not take things said in general personally. On an earlier occasion also, gomisuchi ji took something written by a devotee about charity, in general, personally, and wrote at length about her charity work. By responding to child_of_sai ji's general post in an offensive way, she unwittingly gave away herself. Lastly, if other devotee's find solace and comfort by reading her posts, an important purpose is served.
May Baba bless us all!
Om Sai Ram.
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drashta ji, it is nice to read your post after so long....thanks for citing shri sai satcharitra....i was not interested in getting into any discussion with anyone...nor was i insecure about Baba....i just made a request....and someone who was gulity took it personally......i know that blessed souls who are close to baba have some qualities that nobody can miss.....and there are others like jawhar ali who are deluded by their spiiritual ego.....baba used jankidas to expose jawhar ali who had a significant following in shirdi....many immature devotees use this forum to satisfy their brusied egos....to get praise and validation from simple devotees.....i just sensed one such bruised ego that has been seeking attention for a very long time now.....i pray that she becomes truly humble....and learns that the first sign of a 'realized soul' that she claims to be is humility....they don't go around beating their own drums....i don't regret writing what i wrote......and i firmly believe that most of her account was fabricated.....with these thoughts i sign off.....
Sai Ram.
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Hmmmmm first time I am seeing these arguements in this forum....
Please every one stop discussing on this.....Child of Sai ji nothing wrong from your side as how you felt that time you responded and more over you written as general you didn't point out any one name at your first post.....Please don't leave this forum.
And also nothing wrong from Gomisuchi what she felt and what she had she written...
So please please stop discussing on this topic ---- I am waiting for child of sai post ...so I can feel you didn't leave our forum.
To stop this topic I am giving one topic ----
'When people are going to take God darshan - shiridi or sebari mali..etc
why some times few people will die - at least in god place people can save by god right....."
When my husband didn't believe on god he asked this question " devudu unte tana darshananiki vache baktulanu atleast aa kasta time lo ina kapadi vunda vachu kada...enduku inta darunamga chanipotunnaru ani"
Just to divert the topic I am giving this topic --- so If my topic is wrong please forgive me
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Gayahri ji,
I think you didnt read propoerly child_of_sai post.He did not say anything that he will leave the forum.He just said "with these thoughts i sign off.....":-)
And child_of_sai didnt do anything wrong to think to leave the forum and to be more precise,he is correct.I mean its true in general but not pointing to anyone.
Omkar
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Hi OmkarSai ji,
At new post "An Apology to Gomisuchi Ji and Other Sai Devotees. " child of sai started lines as "As I say bye to this forum, I want to write a few words....etc"
So I thought like that...
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Sorry gayathri ji,
I didnt see that thread before posting here.
Omkar
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hmmmmmm no problem I understood.......take your sorry back
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Please don't say sorry to me...I will always thankful to you and I will remember you.
When I aksed Sai Baba arti in telugu ..you provided that one..through this forum...becz of you
every day evening once I reached home I am attending shirdi arti ..I am also singing with Dwaraka mayi :)
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I didnt do anything gayathri ji.Just broswed for 5 minutes online on ner and gave it to you :-).Even that baba made me to do that.:-)
and you know..after giving it to you,one day I thought to get the same aarthis in telugu,I searched online for one hour but didnt find that.Infact more than hour but I dont know how come I didnt find the link that I got in 5 minutes when I searched for you..Even searched the thread where I gave the link to you but even didnt find that.Also I forgot your name to ask for the link :-(
Then I wondered how I got that link with in 5 minutes when I gave it to gayathri ji and thought that baba made me to do that for you.
Can you please give me the link of that thread where I can find aarthis in telugu :-)? (Am requesting you now back)
And along with gayathri ji,I request child_of_sai to stay back.This is babas place and no one need to leave.
Om Sai Sri Sai Jaya Jaya Sai.
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Hope my post makes you feel babas love for you and please give me that link :-)
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Hi Omkarsai ji,
The link is : http://www.saileelas.org/books/pujavidhi/pujavidhi.htm
I searched that thread again that's why it took time to reply you
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Yes your post feels me my baba love :) thanks again.
Don't know when I have some doubt in mind itself without asking that to my baba, baba will give the answer somehow....
Really enjoying baba's love