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Offline dattaswami

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Annadanam (food donation) should be done to deserving only
« on: November 29, 2008, 09:16:04 PM »
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  • Annadanam (food donation) should be done to deserving only

    In the ancient time, sages were also performing marriages and other rituals. They used to invite the sages related to them. All the sages were best eligible receivers of food etc. But today, all the relatives of the Brahmins, who were descendents of sages are undeserving by their qualities and actions. Today, you are calling them, since they are your relatives. Their behavior even in the worldly life (Pravrutti) is not correct according to Dharma. The real devotion to God (Nivrutti) is completely absent. When you do Annadanam to such undeserving persons, all the sins are falling on you affecting the couple. In the olden days, our ancestors used to invite deserving people only by their Pravrutti and Nivrutti irrespective of relationship. They were very few in number and the feast was given to them for many days and thus, the marriage was for 5 days to 16 days. Instead of feeding 100 undeserving people in single sitting as we do today, our ancestors were feeding 5 deserving people for 20 days. In the first case, egoistic exposition of relatives exists as said by Gita (Adhyobhijanavanasmi). In both cases expenses are one and the same. But, in the first case, all the sin is accumulated and in the second case all good is accumulated. In the first case, the couple is cursed and in the second case, the couple is blessed. If you are not getting deserving guests for the feast, you spend the same amount in feeding hungry beggars in the name of God. Then also, the couple is blessed.

    Today, the Brahmins are suffering due to the heavy expenses in the function, which are not only useless but also harmful to the couple. Most of the Brahmins are poor and are spending on functions by borrowing loans or selling the properties to earn the sin!

    They can invest the money used in the functions in the names of the couple, which will be useful for its future. Even if it is wasted, it does not matter much. But, it is bringing negative results and therefore, a serious analysis is required.

    Offline KS Narayanan

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    Re: Annadanam (food donation) should be done to deserving only
    « Reply #1 on: December 19, 2008, 09:31:52 AM »
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  • Sorry Sir , in my opinion , we have no right to criticise as you have stated in your above note regarding  Annadhanam. See God in all being is fundamental . Hunger is same in all . We can always give them to underprivileged people   who may cherish it better - I do not agree with the word "beggars" -  but it does not stop you from giving  toothers .  I have difficulty in comprehending your theory of sin as well .

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    Re: Annadanam (food donation) should be done to deserving only
    « Reply #2 on: December 22, 2008, 08:42:40 AM »
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  • Sorry Sir , in my opinion , we have no right to criticise as you have stated in your above note regarding  Annadhanam. See God in all being is fundamental . Hunger is same in all . We can always give them to underprivileged people   who may cherish it better - I do not agree with the word "beggars" -  but it does not stop you from giving  toothers .  I have difficulty in comprehending your theory of sin as well .

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    When the service to your self is considered as selfishness, how can the service to the group of souls (Society) cannot be selfishness? Whether it is a single zero or hundred zeros, it is immaterial. God is like the number one which is greater than a single zero or hundred zeros.  Sankara condemned the social service with reference to the service to God (refer to Loka Sevaka Mata Nirasa of Sankara Digvijayam). This entire society is the kingdom of God and is running under the divine administration of God.  If there is a beggar, he is under the punishment of sins as decided by the judgment of God.  No injustice can happen in His kingdom.  Therefore, converting a beggar in to a devotee is primary work.

     Helping him in materialistic way is only a secondary activity since the punishment is only for the change of soul. Your effort to transform that soul to become devotee is appreciated by God because that is the very purpose of punishment also. Unless the soul is transformed, you cannot help the soul in anyway. If you are doing some service to a beggar, remember that you are doing it by the will of God only.  Therefore, you cannot interfere in the divine administration in any way if you are saving a life of a beggar by giving food to a dying person, it is emergency-service.  If the life is gone, there is no possibility for the soul to transform by devotion here.  Therefore, this emergency- service should be done by every body because the life is the basis for the transformation.  However, remember that you are doing such service also by the will of God only.

      Otherwise the beggar may die even after eating your food.  Providing the basic needs for the human beings is the emergency-service by which God is always pleased.   If the fellow died after your service, it means that there is no possibility of transformation of that soul on earth.  Only the special methods of torture in the hell can transform the soul.  Therefore, the soul was sent to hell by the Lord. If there is possibility of transformation on the earth, God will give him food through some body to save the life.  Therefore, you should not get even a trace of egoism even in the social service because you are driven by God only everywhere.  The social service is not greater than the personal service to God because God is above the society.  When Jesus indicated the crossing of I by crucification, it means that every soul is to be crossed in the same way. The society is not above the God and in fact it is not above even your family.  The family is grateful to you and so the business is fair.  The society is not grateful to you after receiving help from you.

     The society is just thanking you by words after receiving your service, where as the family is reciprocating your service through the service.  Your self and your family are certainly better than the society.  Of course, in the case of emergency-service, you can rise above your self and family to help in the basic needs of the poor people because the life should be saved and the life should be settled for any spiritual effort.
     
    Since we do not know the back ground of any soul, our impressions about any soul cannot be real. Suppose you are seeing the scene of hanging a prisoner you will sympathise the prisoner and criticize the jailer. If you have seen the past scene of the prisoner in which he murdered several innocent people you will kill him immediately on the spot. The judiciary system has taken so much time of enquiry to arrive at such punishment. Abhimanyu was brought up by Krishna and he was the only nephew of the Lord. Krishna diverted Arjuna from the war and saw that Abhimanyu got killed. Anyone will scold Krishna on this aspect as the most cruel person. However, Krishna knows the entire background of Abhimanyu. Abhimanyu was a demon who killed several innocent people.

     Therefore the actions of Lord cannot be understood because they are based on the total background. Your actions are based on the present scene only. Even in the present you cannot know the internal nature. However, the Lord knows the internal structure of the soul. Ravana came as a saint begging for food. Sita sympathized him and tried to give food. Therefore the human being cannot understand the internal quality of a beggar. Therefore the social service should be done only based on the command from the Lord as told by Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. The Lord has a small human body and at the same time has simultaneously the infinite body which is the cosmos (Viswarupam). Therefore the personal service to His human body or to His macrocosmic body is one and the same. However, the will of the Lord is very important.

     The Lord is pleased if you act according to His will. After all, the final goal of the entire spiritual effort is only to please the Lord. Therefore you should simply act according to the will of the God without any analysis. Your analysis is limited to the present and is also apparent. His will is the result of the total analysis done even at the deepest level. His will is not a blind will at random. It appears as if it is a bind will due to the lack of knowledge of total background. Krishna desired the personal service to His limited form from Gopikas. The same Krishna wanted the service to be done to His close devotees that is Pandavas. Rama wanted the total help from Hanuman etc limited to only Sita who is His closest devotee being Maha Lakshmi. You misunderstand that the Lord is interested in His close relatives. However, you don’t know that some of His close relatives are the liberated souls.

     If you are in His place you will be interested in all the relatives. Krishna got the Yadavas killed by war and by drinking wine at the end. He has given ten thousand Yadavas to Duryodhana to help him in the war. All of them were killed. In the end all His close relatives including His sons and grandsons killed each other and He was a silent spectator. You think that Rama was fond of His wife and exploited Hanuman to save her. In fact the whole war took place only due to the foolish desire of Sita for the golden deer. However, you do not know the background of Sita. She is the possessor of the entire wealth of this universe. Was she attracted by the petty golden deer? The drama was written like that by Rama. Sankara wandered all over the country to uplift the humanity.

    Here the Lord liked the social service at the cosmic level. Therefore sometimes the Lord may be pleased with your service at the level of His human body. Sometimes He may be pleased with your service done to His devotees, who are in disguise as His relatives to test you. Sometimes he may require your service at the level of the entire society. The will of the Lord is important. The will of the Lord is always justified if the entire background is known. Jesus was pleased with the service of a woman who applied scent on His feet. It is purely personal service at the level of His body. A devotee commented that instead of doing such personal waste service for the enjoyment of Jesus, it is better to do the social service by feeding beggars. However, Jesus objected to that remark and supported the personal service of that woman. Jesus told that beggars will be always there but the human incarnation is very rare. The background of this is to be analyzed. The devotee became jealous with the service of that woman. If   he was in the place of Jesus he would not have passed the same comment.

    The society is not above the God. This is the concept of Jesus and Sankara. There cannot be uniform service to the souls because each soul has its own level of nature. The service should be multy leveled and such capability lies with God only. The woman who served Jesus was a liberated soul that accompanied the Lord and was far superior to any other soul in the world. Rama was very fond of Sita by blindly following Her wish for the golden deer. His blind love was not on His wife but on Goddess Maha Lakshmi who was a liberated soul.

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    Re: Annadanam (food donation) should be done to deserving only
    « Reply #3 on: December 22, 2008, 09:25:12 AM »
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  • I wanted to say only the following - 1. There is GOD in every body . To search and realise that the soul has to be refined . 2. There is no one called " beggar" . Some are privileged and some are not . So word " beggar" does not exist 3. It is our duty  is to satisfy the hunger if we can . There is no discrimination required with regard to that .

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    Re: Annadanam (food donation) should be done to deserving only
    « Reply #4 on: December 22, 2008, 07:29:17 PM »
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  • I wanted to say only the following - 1. There is GOD in every body . To search and realise that the soul has to be refined . 2. There is no one called " beggar" . Some are privileged and some are not . So word " beggar" does not exist 3. It is our duty  is to satisfy the hunger if we can . There is no discrimination required with regard to that .

    Sairam
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    KSNarayanan

    The main aim of serving others is to uplift them first with divine knowledge along with food also. Divine knoweldge is like a medicine for his present suffering which along permanently save the soul.

    All are not God. Soul is not a God, soul cannot even stand for few hours below scrotching sun, then how it can be God?

    God exists only in God in human form who comes for the upliftment of the souls.

    Hanuman studied all the Vedas and Shastras. He studied nine grammars from Sun. Nobody in creation can be equal to Hanuman in this scholastic ability of scriptures. Even though, Hanuman became the future Brahma, He never stated that He is God (Aham Brahmasmi). I am astonished to see these petty Advaita scholars who do not have one millionth knowledge of Hanuman speak Aham Brahmasmi! Hanuman always says ‘Dasoham’, which means that He is the humble servant of the Lord and never states ‘Soham’, which means that He is God. It is said that by remembering Hanuman the ghosts run away. The real ghost is this misconceived Advaita which will run away on remembering Hanuman.

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    Re: Annadanam (food donation) should be done to deserving only
    « Reply #5 on: July 04, 2009, 01:01:58 AM »
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  • om sai ram

    This is the old topic. Same new topic has been created. Please use search option before posting.

    Baba bless all.

    om sai ram.
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    Re: Annadanam (food donation) should be done to deserving only
    « Reply #6 on: July 04, 2009, 01:21:51 AM »
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  • I wanted to say only the following - 1. There is GOD in every body . To search and realise that the soul has to be refined . 2. There is no one called " beggar" . Some are privileged and some are not . So word " beggar" does not exist 3. It is our duty  is to satisfy the hunger if we can . There is no discrimination required with regard to that .

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    KSNarayanan


    Not every body is God.

    If God is in every human being, God is present in your self also. Then why should you serve all? You can serve yourself repeatedly. Instead of serving 100 people, you serve yourself 100 times. In both cases God is worshiped 100 times. In such case every selfish fellow also is a real servant of God! If you say that God is divided into bits and every human being is having a bit of God and unless you serve everybody the whole God is not served. This is absurd because there is only one God who is indivisible. In such case unless you serve all the human beings on this earth, the service to whole God cannot be completed and this is practically impossible!
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