Do we really need Moderators or Helpers?

[saib]

Do we really need Moderators or Helpers?

When Last time I request Ravi Ji to consider system of karma’s. He accepted and implement what I suggested. Thanks to him. But question still left whether We need helper or moderators too?

Before I come to point would like to share one recent event, some days back I had a chance to visit a big religious place at Delhi, There were a tall man in white traditional dress with a big stick wondering and shouting at many young couples not to sit like this or that or making them to leave that place ,I was in shock as place of God is for everyone, than got explanation the people whom He was shouting were not devotees, but only people who came to spend time there and even don’t take care of respect of that holy place like keeping their head cover also draw attention of others, and some beggars who were disturbing devotees.

and this is what How Sai has answered me for this question in advance – Do we need moderators?

YES! We need.

What should be their Role?

Very sensitive. as specially it is name of Sai which is so popular, and everyone want to take advantage of it. Many people want to get fame in the name of Sai, many want wealth by selling anything in the name of Sai……etc. etc. and there is competition in the world of spirituality at ground level too.
Once I was listening a tape in which speaker said God too create illusion to test devotion of people, like on any special day there are big Prasad counters at the gate of religious places…people get so much busy there that sometimes they even forget why they have come to temple. Only few blessed pass the test who does not lose their attention and set their priority God only.

I still remember when I just joined this forum and one day I post a chanting message in Thanks section, and it was blocked by one of mods, I felt so angry, How one can block my posting, It is between me and Sai…………and after some time when mind was calm, realize what I love, Me or Sai (Even same had happened in orkut), if Sai what makes difference wherever I write, It is for Sai and He is omnipresent so can see all. Otherwise I should chant mentally only.

So, Mod should be intelligent enough to get into intention of one, If one comes only to spread spam messages, Like chanting Sai Sai but in signature using the link of his company, or one unnecessarily disturbing others, forcing them to read their posts and respond on the same, seeking personal information of others, using abusive  language, or from other group just to create mess only …………………might be in some cases a genuine reason but Mod should always be alert.

In nutshell Mods are required, as in most of the religious places now many security systems are used including CCTV’s etc. To use the title or not with the name is another issue which admin has to decide. But one thing is sure Mods should play their role without being prejudice treating all equally.

one more thing some time back there was a very beautiful spiritual site on orkut with lots of great messages, one day there was no message, a hacker has deleted all posts permanently, But with the blessings of God  that group returned shining more than before. Sai protects his home Thyself, But if we let Sai home as Sai home.

as concern to Helper system:

It won’t make any difference, as in many temples regular visitors in a dress code serve alongwith other devotees. But they just separate through dress code so can be identified easily, not more than any purpose is behind this.

at last this is what I feel.

Rest Leela of Sai only sai knows!

Jai Sri Sai Ram!

[vishwanath69]

OM SAI RAM

My dear saib ji,

As in keeping in with your usual sense of righteousness, u still have a sense of strong self importance.In your posts you always showcase how you have been the reason change has been brought about and you never seem to be incorrect.In the story you posted what if one person was really there for the Lord and not for other decreipt purposes as you so describe.In any case where is the sense of wrongdoing if a hungry man comes to the abode of the Lord and seeks food for his hunger.Did not our Sai ask you to feed any person or animal without judging whether they were qualified to recieve alms,small amounts of food regardless of their level on the scale of true spiritual knowledge. You have posted articles where you have explained to the ignorant the meaning of the word 'I', yet you continue to defy your own dictats. In any case, Sai will show you the right path.
If u can understand what I have written not only in this post but the one in your karma point post...I have never questioned the need for moderators, I had only questioned the need to show their position in a pompous fashion.I really ought not to engage in discussions...it just showcases our sense of ego.I am sorry saib ji, u are an enlightened individual but the language which you write in does not seem appropriate for a wonderful human being as yourself.

Sai Bless You Sir

SABKA MALLIK EK

[saib]

Dear Vishwanath Ji,

You know what is wrong with you? You do so much analysis, Try to find accuracy in everything. I keep on analyzing SWOT for me not in professional but personal life too, and surely consider my weakness as described by the intelligent persons like you. I know about my believes, my thoughts…………. but I also understand these are form of energies only and keep on changing with time. e.g. You can appreciate me on my post where you find my view matching with your believes and can dislike me for some post not in terms of your believes.

Self Importance, Dear it is not something unusual, e.g. if tomorrow you get a call from world famous doctor with offer to be associate with him, How will you feel, won’t be exited? Same is with me. When I feel I am doing something for Sai. I feel proud and same you can feel in my writings. But one thing is sure I never ask people to get agree with me, My posts get appreciations many times (Sometimes gets negative comments too by some intelligent people) but hardly people react in the manner I ask. That I leave on their Karmas or blessings of Sai only, as I always remember I might be in BMW or Rolls Royce for time being but just a driver, not an owner. Help me to remain at ground!

Language, Here I do agree with you, My language might not be good, but for a Hindi medium student writing this much isn’t an achievement.  Might be some times I could not use more appropriate words due to lack of vocabulary, But I try to improve whenever possible. 

and if you really want to gain true knowledge, read old messages in the forum, Will surely help. If can change a person like me then for you it must be more easy, But as I requested you last time, Learn like a new student who does not know anything, If you will try to learn with your pre occupied mind, won’t get anything and words will remain words only.

In the story you posted what if one person was really there for the Lord and not for other decreipt purposes as you so describe.In any case where is the sense of wrongdoing if a hungry man comes to the abode of the Lord and seeks food for his hunger.Did not our Sai ask you to feed any person or animal without judging whether they were qualified to recieve alms,small amounts of food regardless of their level on the scale of true spiritual knowledge.

Dear Vishwanath Ji, But the people about whom I described not hungry, But with the intention to snatch food of others, I have observed so much of corruption at religious places, that I can’t explain here. Real world is much different from our presumptions. People of other religions come there with their friends to spend time, knowing there is very less possibility to be caught by relatives etc. They have nothing to do anything with spirituality or name of lord. Sai said to feed one only on the base of all beggars would be genuine, But some years back I gave some Rs. outside of a religious place and  someone standing their just ask me not to give these people money as they were drug users. I have seen the time when one of mine friend had no job, no money and he had to go to Gurudwara for many days just to feed his or family. Such people don’t create any non sense there, but only look for mercy of Lord and nothing else.

and Yes, If from my messages you feel hurt or think I am not a person who qualifies on the scale you expectations, Simply ignore. There are many learnt persons who have posted so much of great messages in different sections. Enjoy those messages.

and one unwanted advice, if could spare a few hours Read: Tao of Jeet Kun Do for philosophy of bruce lee on life, Vasistha Yoga, books by swami sivananda on thoughts!

May Sai Bless You!

Goodbye and Goodluck!

om sri sai ram!

[vishwanath69]

JAI SAI RAM

My respected saib ji,

 Thank You...for accurately pointing out what is wrong with me.Sai Bless You
 I must agree with you, you have tremendous insight and knowledge.

 It is I who need to learn...trivial discussions breed egoistic tendencies, something I must avoid.
 
Blessed are the ...for they shall rejoice in the kingdom of heaven.

SABKA MALLIK EK

[Dipika]

OMSAIRAM!Dear Saib ji and Vishwanath bhai...i read ur views ...i agree with Vishwanath bhai...that we dnt need Mods or helpers...BABA never gave a title to Shyama or hemadpant 

Personally i have told Ravi many times that i dont need a tag of a helper...again its a request to Ravi to remove the title from my name and allow me to be a humble servant of BABA....


SAI BABA BLESS US ALL   

Bow to Sri Sai!


Sai baba let your holy lotus feet be our sole refuge.OMSAIRAM

[saib]

Dear Dipika,

Just think in other direction too. What I think (now) just sharing!

mods are must for security & to maintain discipline! Title is required or not, does not of any importance. It depends on person to person.

As concern to helper title, Some time back I too feeling it as a burden, when I had no such title people used to take my posts positively, they used to like and appreciate, But when this title came with my Id, People start taking lightly, might be a reason they consider, extra-ordinary, could not believe this person too have faced bad time in life (Reality is this, if they feel like hell once out of Job, I faced such a situation three times in my life and not only mine, most of the helper member including Ganesh Ji, WW, Smg, Ishvarya, Manmeet………… had gone through tough phases in their life).

But now I feel, It is not a burden, But a responsibility, Last time when I just took a stock of what I am writing……I felt there are lots of changes. Vishwanath Ji has rightly said my language is not good, I too felt it is changed a lot, now there are no more sweet words, no much promises, behaving like a big brother most of the time………… and you know why it happened………..only due to this title. If my heart says  to reply to ask to fast, do chant, cut your karmas and get whatsoever you wish……..this title stops me. Correct me to write what I know out of my experience or knowledge (Some time might not be perfect solution, so I always say if they can)……it also reminds me about one of my job when I used to handle MIS, If we fall behind from our target by 15% but above 20% from previous year, You can write this in two ways – First: “Good News We have attained ……. that is 20% above from previous year” and second: “Bad News We failed to achieve target left behind by 15%”. In first option You will please Management and second Make them disappointed. But dangerous in first is they won’t get serious to achieve further, If had said like bad news, Might shock them but make them to analyze what went wrong, whether Targets were tough or unrealistic or lack of motivation etc. If I chose first option out of fear Mgmt won’t like it, it might  lead to big loss in future. So it is better to Say what you presume to be truth, even bitter. (Same Sai did with me, when I was at the edge) and yes We must consider aptitude to accept of person also whom We are going to say a hard truth.

So, If we take it as a responsibility (without getting into state of False Pride/Ego or being prejudice for anyone), Sai will surely help to discharge our duties as per Thy standards. It will a blessing and not a burden, then.

again this is what I feel! Might be others do not get agree with this, as all live with their own experiences, but in my life what I have learnt nothing is permanent in life, even with time thoughts and believes too kept on changing!

at last one request, please don’t use to compare the sinners like us who still get blessings of baba with Devotees like Shyama or hemadpant. If someone takes Gopi’s of Rass Leela of Krishna as ordinary souls, It is a big mistake. Those devotees were above from all such worldly titles and part of Baba’s Leela’s.

May Sai Bless All! Heal All!

om sri sai ram!

[arti sehgal]

sairam sabib ji
i have read your post and i think we all really need modertor and helpers. we all love baba ana baba show us the right path . if you have think upon such matter it means baba also like your views . in this forum we all are like a baba family we need helpers and moderteres so that we can make our family a spritual family. In our own families also our father and mother are the moderter and helpers to us then why not this family required . i really appericate with your post .
jai sairam

[Dipika]

OMSAIRAM!Dear All Sai bhakts...i have been in this forum since 2004...and i dnt see y we need Mods and helpers...we can have a Admin Ravi bhai..

Personally i have realized i will do what BABA makes me to do ...for that i dont need a title..

One Truth i have seen in this forum...when one Mod asked money and sent mails to some members in 2008 ...nobody was with my side..other than BABA and Tana ...even Ravi kept quiet..later everybody realized that what she did was wrong

OTHER FORUMS CAME UP BECAUSE BABA WANTED AND ALSO BECAUSE WE ALL WERE NOT UNITED IN SPIRIT

So what did Mods,helpers and Admin do at that time....?



Personally i dont want to be a show piece in Sai Forum....

If one has to help or write on a topic one can always do as a member....u dnt have to be a Mod/helper for that


Plz its request to Ravi bhai to remove the tag from my name and let me be a humble servant of BABA

Bow to Sri Sai!


Sai baba let your holy lotus feet be our sole refuge.OMSAIRAM

[saib]

Dear Dipika,

With all due respect, We all have own believes and experiences. If you had read my post, you would have known Why I said let this system continue. In an organization all people work together still they are titled as Cashier, Accountant, Manager, Clerk, CEO, CFO, COO, Director, MD……..we don’t call them just an employee. If you have been shirdi then have noticed the functional pattern of shirdi trust. How many trustee are there, How they conduct operation of such a big temple. If We leave everything just for devotees. Trust me in one day there will be entire mess. People who will enter main premises before Baba, Won’t move resulting other devotees to wait for hours. Can you imagine condition of kids and old people?

Using the title as I said is not for others nor for Baba but to use as a symbol which keep on remembering us our responsibility.

and as concern to help others, It is just like a helper (in helper dress) in a temple can show the path to someone. To go in that direction or not is only in the hands of that devotee. What I have understood till now a Helper/or Mod should not get emotionally attached with any other devotee or even with his own karmas. It is just like, Do and forget. If one helper member at a temple is not emotionally matured, He won’t be able to serve others, every time he will feel hurt whenever observe people not following his instructions and He will get his mind filled with many negative thoughts and soon his own devotion will be reflecting as a burden to him.

OTHER FORUMS CAME UP BECAUSE BABA WANTED AND ALSO BECAUSE WE ALL WERE NOT UNITED IN SPIRIT

So what did Mods,helpers and Admin do at that time....?

I did not know what happened in past, but as concern to other forums, whatsoever happens at wish of Sai only (with the independence of performing our Karmas) as you yourself has admitted. Sai always liked simplicity, It is always better to have focus only on Thy name and serving others. If motives are pure Sai himself conducts his show.
He is like a sea in which all pure and true devotees get merged like small rivers. (If they are ready to lose their own existence).

at last, I can add it is only expectations to get response (mostly positive) which brings pain and negative emotions, If We just concentrate on our duties We will enjoy what so ever we do under grace of Sai!

Anyway, We can keep on discussing or debating on the issue, that was not my purpose when began this thread so leaving on the wish of Sai, I close the topic.

All is Sai! Sai is All!

om sri sai ram!

[adwaita]

One Truth i have seen in this forum...when one Mod asked money and sent mails to some members in 2008 ...nobody was with my side..other than BABA and Tana ...even Ravi kept quiet..later everybody realized that what she did was wrong

OTHER FORUMS CAME UP BECAUSE BABA WANTED AND ALSO BECAUSE WE ALL WERE NOT UNITED IN SPIRIT

So what did Mods,helpers and Admin do at that time....?

Dear dipika ji,

I want to interfere as I was there when it happened. When one mod was sending personal mails to all the members, it was not know to other mods. Only members knew what was happening and they didn't share this with the other mods, neither with the admin. When the truth came up, everyone including the mods were in a shock as it was unbelievable. Without jumping to conclusions, some of us were waiting for answer from that particular mod. While all the discussions were going on, some background work was also going on and all those messages were submitted to ravi bhai as proofs. That is why that member is banned now and is not here now. All happened according to baba's order. It's not that the admin keeps quiet when something big like that happens. Of course strict action will be taken, but only after knowing what happened exactly. For all this, it takes time as no one wants to hurt others.

We go to sai temple and in few days, we see one new temple coming up in new area. That doesn't mean that old temple was not good. It's just baba's wish. If at all we aren't united we wouldn't have survived this long by baba's grace. Because of the increasing members day by day, there need to be monitoring. Once there was a spammer who posted all rubbish in all the section. Ravi bhai couldn't be reached that time. Without any delay it was brought to subha ji's notice ans she immediately blocked that spammer. Here I see the need of a mod. Other than this I don't want to talk anything more, if I do so, some may think that I am supporting my role and feeling great about it. No matter whoever controls or do not control this online mandir, everything goes on according to baba's will.

Baba bless all.

om sai ram.